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Re: Muni Fiber (was: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc)


From: Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:51:35 -0400 (EDT)

----- Original Message -----
From: "JC Dill" <jcdill.lists () gmail com>

On 25/03/12 8:56 AM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
In a message written on Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:47:58AM -0400, Jay
Ashworth wrote:
Well, for my part, /most of the poiny/ of muni is The Public Good;
if /actual/ bond financed muni fiber is skipping the Hard Parts, it
deserves to lose.

It doesn't matter if it's a bond-financed project or a privately
funded (privately owned) project - they are using a public resource (the
street/poles) to lay their lines, and usually also using the power of
the municipality's right to eminent domain to put in or use poles (or
underground conduits) to run lines across private properties. As part
of the Public Good contract to use these public resources, they should
be required to service both the the easy parts and the hard parts, no
matter the source of the financing or the ownership of the lines.

Yup; that's what I said.  But it cannot be privately financed; *it must
be the property of the municipality*, legally.  I don't care if they
sub out the actual trench and splice, or even the operation of layer 1...

but they have to own it; that's the whole point.

Fiber has a 20-50 year life.

The biggest problem is determining how certain that lifespan is.
Remember how Netflix looked like an awesome business to deliver DVDs by
mail in 2002, and had one of the most successful IPOs of the era? Less
than 10 years later we have widespread broadband and companies can
deliver that same content by copper/fiber/802.11. Now Netflix is in the
position of being in direct business conflict with the companies they
rely on to carry their product to their customers (e.g. Comcast) and
their future is very uncertain. Can you promise that fiber has a
*feasible* lifetime of 20-50 years? Maybe in 5-10 years all consumer
data will be transferred via wireless, and investment in municipal
wired data systems (fiber and copper) becomes worthless.

His assertion wasn't economic life, it was *functional* life; I think we're 
pretty close to 50 years from the first deployment of optical fiber, and I
think it's still serviceable.

The question here is: did you design layer 1 properly, so as to make it
cost-competitive for a long time (see the other thread on this).

Cheers,
-- jra
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