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Re: Muni Fiber
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:36:42 -0400
William Herrin wrote:
Even if preempted, a state or municipality can make it make it *very* uncomfortable for a communications provider who doesn't want to play ball. Consider, for example, DC's repaving requirements: if you dig up the street, you're required to repave the whole street all the way from the nearest intersections. Completely repave, not just cold-patch. That's pretty expensive. Unless they waive the requirement on a case by case basis. Where the basis has a habit of being whether or not your digging is in line with a government policy objective. This is one reason FIOS deployments lag in DC. Verizon doesn't want to deploy conduit down every street lest they be compelled to open it to competitors and the DC government won't waive the repaving requirements for direct burial fiber.
Flip side of this - a street cut, on average, take a year off the life of a street. Street patches tend to lead to potholes, ice dams, and so forth (and from there to lots of car repairs). Doing things in the street disrupts traffic - you don't want it to happen too often. (Things you learn consulting to local governments.)
It's not a matter of "making things uncomfortable for communications providers" - it's a matter of getting them to pay the full cost of digging, rather than passing it off to others. It's been my observation that MOST municipalities let providers do whatever they want, don't do anything to coordinate right-of-way work (even by their own water departments), don't have the budget to repair or repave roads all that often, and hence have absolutely horrid roads - particularly in areas where water infiltration and freezing is an issue.
Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
Current thread:
- Re: Muni Fiber, (continued)
- Re: Muni Fiber Leo Bicknell (Mar 25)
- Re: Muni Fiber Owen DeLong (Mar 27)
- Re: Muni Fiber Masataka Ohta (Mar 25)
- Re: Muni Fiber Jay Ashworth (Mar 26)
- Re: Muni Fiber Ray Soucy (Mar 26)
- Re: Muni Fiber Jay Ashworth (Mar 26)
- RE: Muni Fiber Frank Bulk (Mar 27)
- Re: Muni Fiber Charles Gucker (Mar 27)
- Re: Muni Fiber Fletcher Kittredge (Mar 28)
- Re: Muni Fiber William Herrin (Mar 28)
- Re: Muni Fiber Miles Fidelman (Mar 28)
- Re: Muni Fiber Miles Fidelman (Mar 28)
- Re: Muni Fiber Jay Ashworth (Mar 28)
- Re: Muni Fiber Miles Fidelman (Mar 28)
- RE: Muni Fiber Frank Bulk (Mar 25)
- Re: Muni Fiber Masataka Ohta (Mar 25)
- Re: Muni Fiber Jared Mauch (Mar 26)
- Re: Muni Fiber Masataka Ohta (Mar 26)
- Re: Muni Fiber Jared Mauch (Mar 26)
- Re: Muni Fiber (was: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc) JC Dill (Mar 25)
- Re: Muni Fiber (was: Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc) Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 25)
