Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?

[Warren Kumari <warren () kumari net>]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:00 PM Etienne-Victor Depasquale
<edepa () ieee org> wrote:
> Intel definitely is pressing for containerized data plane.
>
> Here, @20:49 (registration required), I placed that very question and it took a bit of humming to obtain a straight 
> answer :)

I'm shocked, shocked to discover that a company that sells CPUs thinks
that a dataplane should run on a CPU...

W

> Etienne
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> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:38 PM <adamv0025 () netconsultings com> wrote:
> > Wondering whether the industry will consider containerised data-plane in addition to control-plane (like cRDP).
> >
> > Having just control-plane and then hacking to kernel for doing the data-plane bit is …well not as straight forward 
> > as having a dedicated data-plane VM or potentially container.
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> > adam
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> > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+adamv0025=netconsultings.com () nanog org> On Behalf Of Etienne-Victor Depasquale
> > Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 7:09 PM
> > To: Robert Raszuk <robert () raszuk net>
> > Cc: NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> > Subject: Re: Has virtualization become obsolete in 5G?
> >
> >
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> > Clearly to virtualize operating systems as long as your level of virtualization mainly in terms of security and 
> > resource consumption isolation & reservation is satisfactory is a much better and lighter option.
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> > That pretty much sums up Intel's view.
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> > To quote an Intel executive I was corresponding with:
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> > "The purpose of the paper was to showcase how Communication Service Providers can move to a more nimble and future 
> > proof microservices based network architecture with cloud native functions, via container deployment methodologies 
> > versus virtual machines.  The paper cites many benefits of moving to a microservices architecture beyond whether it 
> > is done in a VM environment or cloud native. We believe the 5G networks of the future will benefit greatly by 
> > implementing such an approach to deploying new services."
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> > The paper referred to is this one.
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> > Cheers,
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> >
> > Etienne
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> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 6:23 PM Robert Raszuk <robert () raszuk net> wrote:
> >
> > I reason that Intel's implication is that virtualization is becoming obsolete.
> >
> > Would anyone care to let me know his thoughts on this prediction?
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> > Virtualization is not becoming obsolete ... quite reverse in fact in all types of deployments I can see around.
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> > The point is that VM provides hardware virtualization while kubernetes with containers virtualize OS apps and 
> > services are running on in isolation.
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> > Clearly to virtualize operating systems as long as your level of virtualization mainly in terms of security and 
> > resource consumption isolation & reservation is satisfactory is a much better and lighter option.
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> >
> > Thx,
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> > R.
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> > --
> >
> > Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale
> > Assistant Lecturer
> > Department of Communications & Computer Engineering
> > Faculty of Information & Communication Technology
> > University of Malta
> >
> > Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale
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>
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> --
> Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale
> Assistant Lecturer
> Department of Communications & Computer Engineering
> Faculty of Information & Communication Technology
> University of Malta
> Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale



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I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad
idea in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
of pants.
   ---maf