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Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990
From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom com>
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2020 18:09:30 +0200
On 1/Aug/20 17:49, Owen DeLong wrote:
Aviation makes a strong effort in this area, perhaps stronger than any other human endeavor, especially when you’re talking about the fraction of Aviation known in the US as “Part 121 Scheduled Air Carrier Services”. However, as noted above, there are exceptions. In fact, there are striking parallels between Asiana 214 and this incident. The tools to avoid the accident in question automatically were available to the pilots, but they failed to turn them on (autothrottle). The tools to avoid this incident were available to Telia, but they failed to turn them on.
Agreed, the leading cause of aircraft incidents is human error. When human errors in aeroplane accidents are repeated, it's usually because of poor crew resource management, poor training, low experience, poor situational awareness, crew fatigue, crew disorientation, not following checklists... that sort of thing. We've made a whole hymn out of "do proper filtering at eBGP hand-off points" over the years. Network operators are not always working under pressure like airline pilots do. On a quiet, calm afternoon, an engineer can comb the network to make sure all potential mistakes that have been shouted about for years within our community are plugged, especially when working at an "experienced" operation such as Telia and similar. It's almost a "do once and forget, and watch it repeat" type-thing, vs. airline pilots who need to be on it 110%, every second of every flight, even if they've got 25,000hrs under their epaulettes. It shouldn't be this hard... Mark.
Current thread:
- Re: Issue with Noction IRP default setting (Was: BGP route hijack by AS10990), (continued)
- Re: Issue with Noction IRP default setting (Was: BGP route hijack by AS10990) Ross Tajvar (Aug 02)
- Re: Issue with Noction IRP default setting (Was: BGP route hijack by AS10990) Mark Tinka (Aug 02)
- Re: Issue with Noction IRP default setting (Was: BGP route hijack by AS10990) Mark Tinka (Aug 02)
- Re: Issue with Noction IRP default setting (Was: BGP route hijack by AS10990) Tom Beecher (Aug 03)
- Re: Issue with Noction IRP default setting (Was: BGP route hijack by AS10990) Job Snijders (Aug 03)
- Re: Issue with Noction IRP default setting (Was: BGP route hijack by AS10990) Mike Hammett (Aug 01)
- Re: Issue with Noction IRP default setting (Was: BGP route hijack by AS10990) Mark Tinka (Aug 02)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Nick Hilliard (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Mark Tinka (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Owen DeLong (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Mark Tinka (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Owen DeLong (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Mark Tinka (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Mark Tinka (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Sabri Berisha (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Owen DeLong (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Mark Tinka (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Nick Hilliard (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Sabri Berisha (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Nick Hilliard (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Owen DeLong (Aug 01)
- Re: BGP route hijack by AS10990 Mark Tinka (Aug 01)
