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What is the most secure web browser,


From: secureot <secureot () yahoo com>
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT)

Hi all,
Thanks for the feedback. To elaborate more on what I
am asking the list. I will add. Yes I am asking about
the most secure “graphical” browsers.
I do not know how to define minimum functionality but
will try to give more info. I’m aware that the
security of the browser can be defined within the
browser itself or by restricting the sites the users
visit.
I am just wondering if there is a browser that:
 A) Installs securely by default install.
 B) Maybe runs a code integrity checker in the
background that warns you on a malicious sites or at
least gives you a heads up before you negative action
is about to happen.
 C) Supports the 3rd party software vendors (e.g.
Macromedia)
 D) Disable certain bugs by event correlation (I think
it will still be worth it even if it misses once in a
while).
 E) Ties into a virus protection engine that checks
files that are downloaded maybe in a “virtual secure
space” before execution of the files
 F) Enhances capability in to other M$ office suite
applications and other popular software.  

I am aware of the none-patchable bugs that are
released almost daily and am wondering if this thought
was ever addressed. The security community has created
Antivirus, Firewalls, IDS/PDS, Keyloggers and more
products. Has there never been a thought of opening up
a project for the secure graphical browser. That would
guard you at least from the basic cross-site scripting
and other malicious code out there?
I know you can block or define where users “visit” but
I believe that has negative affects on productivity. I
also believe we all should be able to experience the
cloud with everything that it consists off.
I know you may not have the answer, neither do I, but
am interested in other peoples take on the matter….
Maybe I am just vocalizing a pipe dream but isn’t this
how ideas come to fruition?
Any feedback is very much appreciated,
O

--- Chris Ess <azarin () tokimi net> wrote:
I have been researching these security lists for a
while, and am still puzzled and would like some
feedback…
There have been several recent vulnerabilities in
the
past few weeks alone on IE, that prove that it is
obviously not the secure web browser of choice.
My question to the list, is what is the most
secure
browser that will not get manipulated like IE?
Is the programming languages and protocols at
fault or
$pecific vendors?
I don’t think that continuous, almost daily
patching
is realistic or even close to a resolution. I also
do
not believe that Lynx is an answer.
Any input would be appreciated…

I think you need to specify more clearly what the
minimum functionality
you're looking for is.  Without knowing that, we may
not be able to answer
the exact question you're asking.

The term 'web browser' suggests that the program
renders the HTML on a
page, so suggesting a telnet to port 80 on the
client host (or using the
GET utility which comes with libwww-perl) would not
be of use.

I wonder why you say that lynx is not an answer,
especially since in my
mind and experience it's one of the more (if not the
most) secure browsers
out there.  (I don't think I've heard of a security
bug in lynx, but that
doesn't mean there aren't any.)  Other suggestions
for more secure
browsers are links and w3m, but these are also
text-only browsers.  I
suspect that you are really asking about the most
secure 'graphical' web
browser.

I have not really dealt with web browsers outside of
the 'big three' --
IE, Mozilla/Netscape, and Opera.  However,
alternatives e.g. Galeon and
Konqueror do exist.

We hear about issues with IE all the time and in
Opera to a lesser degree.
Mozilla/Netscape bugs are comparitively rare but not
uncommon.  I know of
at least one Konqueror security bug report and I
don't think I've seen any
for Galeon.

For general web use, I would probably suggest
Mozilla or Firebird based
on my experience.  There may be more secure
alternatives I'm not aware
of or have not used.

Even  then, though, this will only cover security
for the web browser
itself.  If malicious content is loaded by a plugin
or separate program,
e.g. Macromedia Flash Player, and exploits a bug in
said program, your
choice in browser won't save you.

I'd be interested in hearing more about security
benefits and drawbacks of
the 'alternative' browsers.

Sincerely,


Chris Ess
System Administrator / CDTT (Certified Duct Tape
Technician)


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