Re: Administrator Rights?

["Dana Morrow" <dmorrow5 () satx rr com>]

The PC will successfully download all of the updates that windows update 
says it need. However, when trying to install the updates, first, it states 
that windows does not recognize the updates as having a valid Microsoft 
signature. Second, the system says that unless you are a system 
administrator, this patch/update will not be installed. The only option 
available is to choose 'OK'. This goes on for all for each of the updates. 
They all fail, and no updates are applied. I've told my friend to create 
another admin account, log in as that user, then try it again. I'm still 
waiting to hear back from them. I've never seen this before.

regards,

Dana Morrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <geraldf () westernsaw com>
To: <security-basics () securityfocus com>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:26 PM
Subject: RE: Administrator Rights?


> Morning,all:
>
> I don't believe this is entirely correct.  The Admin credentials do need 
> to
> be present and verified, but the "run as" secondary logon is sufficient.
> Someone with Admin credentials does not have to be the primary logon for 
> the
> updates to fire and install.
>
> I am not dead sure what you are implying with the "Windows update will not
> install ANY update if the Admin is not logged on." statement.  I have been
> using the "runas" method in our company for over three years, and other 
> than
> an occasional hickup where Admin or otherwise the update service just 
> stops
> functioning, every pc just updates like a clock once a day no matter who 
> is
> logged on to the pc.  The odd update failure seems to involve a reg entry
> that gives a corrupt version that I manually change, and off it goes 
> again.
>
> Servers, of course, are a different story.  To set those up with "auto
> update" without any sandboxing should only be done if your resume is 
> updated
> and your next prospective employer is in sight.
>
> Good luck, and kudos to MSFT on the Update service.  I don't see anyone 
> else
> doing anything even remotely close to this level of customer service.
>
> The driver updates included in this service are a real blessing.  Any
> printer vendor, for example, that comes onsite is immediately quizzed on
> whether they participate in the MSFT update service.  If not, adios.  I
> consider a vendor who doesn't participate actively in this driver update
> service to be jacking up the TCO (total cost of ownership) to my company 
> to
> save themselves some cash.  Canon is the worst at this...zero 
> participation,
> zero email notification of new drivers.  They just don't seem to get it.
>
> Gerald
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Caeser Augustus [mailto:caeser.augustus () gmail com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:07 PM
> To: security-basics () securityfocus com
> Subject: Re: Administrator Rights?
>
> Hi,
>
> Windows update will not install ANY update if the Admin is not logged on.
> If you are running XP, then I have noticed that going through with the pre
> SP1 updates is a pain nowadays. They seem to download OK but fail to
> install.
> Manually installing the updates may be an option, but I also wonder if the
> XP systems are using the new V5 site or the older V4 one.
> On a seperate note, for the updates to work properly with the V5, an 
> update
> is required. If WIndows update does not install it automatically then, you
> may install it seperately from
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b93356b1-ba43-480f-
> 983d-eb19368f9047&displaylang=en
>
> And you may also have a look at
> http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/WinXP/Q_21220580.html
>
> Hope this helps:
>
>
>
> On 1 Dec 2004 03:31:58 -0000, dmorrow5 () satx rr com <dmorrow5 () satx rr com>
> wrote:
> > I'd like to think I'm somewhat computer savvy, but this one escapes
> me...running XP, trying to run Windows Update. All but one or two updates
> will fail. I've done some research that suggested a necessary service may
> not have started, but this is not the case. When looking at the user
> account, they are designated as Administrator. However, Windows Update 
> says
> it won't install the updates unless it's accomplished by an administrator.
> Any suggestions?
>
> >