Re: SQL Storing Passwords?

[Davin Enigl <davinenigl () comcast net>]

It's hard to say if that "key" field is really a key, a salt or just a
SHA-1 160-bit hash of the password. Some HSM are not too expensive:
Yubico has a $500 HSM encryption system - I recommend it be used as
Jeffrey Walton suggests or as a second corporate salt as I suggested.
Old news: SANS newsletter reported SHA-1 hashes were cracked for
Linkedin for weak "human-generated" passwords. Random-generated (C-PRNG)
passwords were not cracked. There is a lesson here. Randomise your
password-creations as well as hash and double salt. I hope they switch
to SHA-2-256 with a 128-bit or larger salt. Passwords are dead to me. I
use two-factor and Yubikey tokens.

On 09/04/2012 11:38 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> Sorry to play language lawyer here.... Gatuam said "Key", not "Salt":
> "...so the hashing is done like this SSHA('mypassword','key')"
>
> Keys are private parameters and salts are public parameters. If you
> want to treat a salt as a key, it needs to be appropriately protected.
>
> I was recently reading a paper from John Steven of Cigital and OWASP
> on Password Security. His threat models required the use both keys and
> salts. For organizations that have the resources, the key goes in an
> HSM (unlikely in a Mom-and-Pop shop).

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