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Re: The sky's downward trajectory


From: "Jonathan Wilkins" <jwilkins () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:37:49 -0800

ASLR is also limited to 8 bits of entropy per (Microsoft employee)
Richard Johnson's talk at t00rcon.

On 2/19/07, endrazine <endrazine () gmail com> wrote:
Hi dear readers,

Rhys Kidd a Ã(c)crit :

So what does Microsoft provide to make this more secure?

Firstly the push by Michael Howard et al to get ASLR implemented in
Vista beta 2 and above means the addresses within ntdll.dll are going
to be somewhat random, thereby making reliable use of this technique
difficult. NX bit based defenses really should be implemented
hand-in-hand with some form of memory randomisation, as was documented
by the PaX project.

Put me in my place if I'm wrong, but adresses are only randomized once
at boot up, making the Vista randomization far less effective than a run
time randomization a la PaX. Well, at least, thats what I understood
from the Microsoft TechDays in Paris 2 weeks ago.
Secondly, as Dave mentioned setting "AlwaysOn" in boot.ini should
prevent DEP from being disabled on a per-process basis.

HTH.
Rhys


Regards,

endrazine-
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