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WebHacking and lcamtuf
From: Dave Aitel <dave () immunityinc com>
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 12:08:20 -0500
So this is my review of lcamtuf's book, which is this: It's the best book out there on web security right now, and if we had more time, we'd buy one for every student at the INFILTRATE WebHacking class. The book is less an attempt to "teach" web security than the result of lcamtuf's extremely deep and systematic review of the basement of web technology. I think only lcamtuf could have written it, since it not only goes over the technology, but the historical reasons for various technological choices that have been made. Likewise, it's extremely up to date. It's not a long book, and it's somewhat approachable even for someone with no experience in web security, so there are gaps, but the book itself is less about covering all possible attacks and more about covering the underlying structure of the web that makes these attacks possible. This is what you can see every couple months when lcamtuf comes out with various demos for ways to circumvent security that can't readily be patched or prevented. Lcamtuf's conclusion alone is worth the price of the book. My only issue (and it's a small one) with the book is that it is written very much from a defensive "security engineer's" position. Come back to the dark side lcamtuf! In the INFILTRATE WebHacking class (coming up in 7 days!!!) the team designed the class entirely around the model of a wargame. Sometimes it's the little things that make all the difference - getting your CSRF attack to work across browsers, for example (no, this is not as easy as it sounds!). Likewise there's a number of hours devoted to exploiting SQL Injection as you would have to in the wild. SQLi is one of those things where people write off the exploitation part a lot if it doesn't immediately work with their automated tool, since it involves thinky thinky. But much like Unethical Hacking makes people learn buffer overflows, WebHacking forces people to be able to really exploit things by hand. Deep down what you want from all these class is to transfer that instinct for GETTING IN to the students. It's just a small taste to try to develop the call of the wild. If at the end of Unethical Hacking or WebHacking, the students don't go home tempted to hack their ex girlfriends, then we judge ourselves a failure. Of course, in the Master Class we _should_ be teaching restraint. Oddly a lot of the best hackers I know are ex-addicts. I think there is a similar psychology at work. But restraint is even harder to teach. -- INFILTRATE 2012 January 12th-13th in Miami - the world's best offensive information security conference. www.infiltratecon.com
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