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Re: Password aging
From: "David L. Wasley" <david.wasley () UCOP EDU>
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:33:18 -0800
I wonder about the rationale for requiring periodic password changes.
I believe I understand why it was necessary in the past but is it
still reasonable? What is the risk that is mitigated by that
requirement?
I assume that modern systems
- require sufficiently complex passwords to start with
- do not allow downloading of the /etc/passwd (or equivalent) file
- lock account access after a few failed password attempts
Therefore, guessing a password should prove very difficult and there
isn't any other way to gain knowledge of it. Even if you accept that
it might be guessed, so might the new one. Therefore why require
that it be changed?
As to people "sharing" or writing down passwords, they'll just share
or write down the new one each time. Thus changing passwords
periodically does nothing to address this problem of human nature.
If a person becomes aware that their password might have been
compromised, they should then change their password just as they
should request a PKI cert be revoked if the private key is
compromised.
I suppose one could imagine a scenario where an attacker tries a
dictionary-like attack until the target locks up, waits for it to be
reopened, and then continues trying. Assuming the user never wonders
why their account is continually locking up, the attacker might
eventually hit on the actual password. However, requiring the user
to change their password periodically or even every time the account
locks up wouldn't guarantee that the attacker would never succeed
(even if you knew what strings they had already tried some other
hacker might start again at the beginning).
So can someone define what the rationale might be for requiring
password changes?
How often do folks change the PIN on their ATM cards?
Thanks,
David
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Current thread:
- Re: Password aging, (continued)
- Re: Password aging Kevin Shalla (Jan 09)
- Re: Password aging Jere Retzer (Jan 09)
- Re: Password aging H. Morrow Long (Jan 09)
- Re: Password aging Peter Choi (Jan 09)
- Re: Password aging Eoghan Casey (Jan 10)
- Re: Password aging Jim Moore (Jan 13)
- Re: Password aging Steve Worona (Jan 13)
- Re: Password aging Gary Flynn (Jan 13)
- Re: Password aging Jim Moore (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging Steve Worona (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging David L. Wasley (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging Craig W. Drake (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging Gary Dobbins (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging Jere Retzer (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging David L. Wasley (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging Angel L Cruz (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging Gary Dobbins (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging David L. Wasley (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging Tim Lane (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging Gary Flynn (Jan 14)
- Re: Password aging Dave Koontz (Jan 14)
(Thread continues...)
