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Re: student systems and NIST 800-171
From: Jarret Cummings <jcummings () EDUCAUSE EDU>
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 19:25:29 +0000
Hi, All - I wanted to gather a few threads together. At this point, the U.S. Dept. of Ed. and Federal Student Aid don't have a mechanism for requiring or enforcing 800-171 compliance in relation to colleges and universities; that's why you see the language about "encouraging" institutions to pursue 800-171 adoption in the IFAP notice that was previously mentioned (https://ifap.ed.gov/electronic-announcements/121820CybersecurityProtectStudentInfoComplianceCUInGLBA) as well as in the prior "Dear Colleague Letters" on cybersecurity it references. The current notice highlights the NARA CUI Program (https://www.archives.gov/cui) requirement that federal agencies have to work with their relevant stakeholders to extend the agencies' responsibilities for implementing the CUI Program's uniform requirements to those stakeholders via a contract or similar agreement. In turn, this is supposed to entail federal agencies incorporating a uniform Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) clause into their contracts/agreements so that the CUI requirements are themselves uniformly implemented across non-defense federal agencies. (DoD has had its 800-171 requirement implemented in the Defense Federal Acquisition Regulations Supplement (DFARS) for a couple of years now.) The uniform FAR clause on CUI has been delayed since 2018, though, and it's not clear when it will finally be released. The FSA notice indicates that FSA feels the need to move ahead with preparing an institutional agreement to cover CUI compliance for FSA data in the meantime, given FSA's sense that it may be able to move forward in this fashion (we'll have to see how the NARA CUI Program regulations come into play on that point) and that cybersecurity is now too important of an issue for it not to. The notice also indicates, however, that FSA knows it doesn't have enough information about what 800-171 compliance would mean for different types of institutions or how to pursue it in a productive, sustainable fashion across different institutional types; this is consistent with a small group discussion that EDUCAUSE arranged between FSA officials and a few CISOs representing different institutional types. That's where the "preview of coming attractions" references to an 800-171 self-assessment come into play. To the questions about the "when" and the "what" of the process, there isn't any information available at this time. I have pressed that issue as well as the question of where FSA's authority to require a self-assessment would come from, and I plan to revisit those points with FSA and the Dept. of Ed. again soon. So, FSA is strongly signaling that 800-171 compliance related to federal student financial aid data is coming, and my read of the notice is that FSA is anticipating those compliance requirements could follow the relevant data that institutions get from FSA wherever the data goes across institutional systems. FSA isn't yet in a position to require 800-171 compliance, however, and it looks like there's a good way to go before they'll be in a position to do so. That said, this may be the time to start trying to get out in front of FSA on 800-171 if your institution isn't already so the institution has the chance to proceed on its own timetable. - Jarret _______________________________________________ Jarret S. Cummings Senior Advisor, Policy and Government Relations EDUCAUSE Uncommon Thinking for the Common Good direct: 202.331.5372 | educause.edu<http://www.educause.edu/> From: The EDUCAUSE Security Community Group Listserv <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> On Behalf Of Fugett, Julie C Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:36 AM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU Subject: Re: [SECURITY] student systems and NIST 800-171 Is anyone aware of templates, checklists, or other guidance around performing this self-assessment? I just watched Mia Jordan's talk from the 2020 Virtual FSA training conference and while the talk was informative, she didn't provide any resources or a timeline for the self-assessment process. I'm reaching out to the contact email in the slides, but I'm wondering if I've missed something somewhere along the way. ______________________________________ Julie C. Fugett, CISSP Chief Information Security Officer KU Information Technology The University of Kansas Email jcf () ku edu<mailto:jcf () ku edu> Mobile +1 785 691 9023 Office +1 785 864 0490 She/Her/Hers From: The EDUCAUSE Security Community Group Listserv <SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU>> On Behalf Of Ross Mukai Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 6:10 PM To: SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU<mailto:SECURITY () LISTSERV EDUCAUSE EDU> Subject: Re: [SECURITY] student systems and NIST 800-171 Some slides from the 2020 student aid conference describing a compliance framework for glba + CUI The bullet points on the near-term plan on pg 18 include the 12/18/20 letter and self-assessments https://fsaconferences.ed.gov/conferences/library/2020/2020FSAConfSessionBO15.pdf<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffsaconferences.ed.gov%2Fconferences%2Flibrary%2F2020%2F2020FSAConfSessionBO15.pdf&data=04%7C01%7C%7C91a86d5538c2457d5a4f08d8c3aac0a8%7Cdd4b037fe626495db0170cc0f7dddb37%7C0%7C0%7C637474485436887413%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=LDaxlxWkrivRH%2BAv5m4TiKaZ1zJ6qDNDs7yOB9DUNtc%3D&reserved=0> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 2:01 PM Sam Horowitz <samh () ucsb edu<mailto:samh () ucsb edu>> wrote: https://ifap.ed.gov/electronic-announcements/121820CybersecurityProtectStudentInfoComplianceCUInGLBA<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fifap.ed.gov%2Felectronic-announcements%2F121820CybersecurityProtectStudentInfoComplianceCUInGLBA&data=04%7C01%7C%7C91a86d5538c2457d5a4f08d8c3aac0a8%7Cdd4b037fe626495db0170cc0f7dddb37%7C0%7C0%7C637474485436897406%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=gLXv6PZxJZo%2F0X2fqpu5c6Y%2FVJJq2cBB5o9BWTwUycQ%3D&reserved=0> ------------------------------------------- Sam Horowitz, CISSP, CISM Chief Information Security Officer he/him/his Office: (805) 893-5005 Email: samh () ucsb edu<mailto:samh () ucsb edu> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 3:38 PM Alex Jalso <ACJalso () mail wvu edu<mailto:ACJalso () mail wvu edu>> wrote: Hello Everyone, In a meeting with peer institutions it was said that at the Federal level there's been discussions that university student information systems must treat resident data as CUI and have their systems be compliant with NIST 800-171 or risk losing financial aid. 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- student systems and NIST 800-171 Alex Jalso (Jan 27)
- Re: student systems and NIST 800-171 Sam Horowitz (Jan 27)
- Re: student systems and NIST 800-171 Ross Mukai (Jan 27)
- Re: student systems and NIST 800-171 Fugett, Julie C (Jan 28)
- Re: student systems and NIST 800-171 Robert Smith (Jan 28)
- Re: student systems and NIST 800-171 Laura Raderman (Jan 28)
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- Re: student systems and NIST 800-171 Sam Horowitz (Jan 27)
- Re: student systems and NIST 800-171 Jarret Cummings (Jan 28)
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