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RE: Castles and Security (fwd)
From: twaszak () Telenisus com
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:42:09 -0600
The castle analogy is a useful one. Though there may be other analogies that may be more accurate, I think most of us would be hard pressed to find one that is as easy for non-technical people to understand. The point of the castle analogy (IMHO) should be to demonstrate how systems and policies interact, are interelated, and supportive to provide adequate security. I find it most useful to illustrate the holistic concept of information security. I see non-technical, management, and security ignorant people's faces light up with understanding when I use this analogy. Besides everyone likes castles. I don't think references to the fact that the Maginot Line and Eben-Emael were dispatched so easily detract at all from the utility of the castle analogy. These two events help to illustrate how poor planning and assumptions equat to bad security and disasterous results. If the castle analogy is used to describe a firewall, it is being used (IMHO) incorrectly. The firewall isn't the castle, the firewall is a component of the castle. A firewall alone equates to a hilltop defense. Ask Custer how well that worked;-) Lastly, castles, like good security, never gauranteed 100% results. The point was to make it cost more than the the attacker was willing to pay. -----Original Message----- From: Jürgen Nieveler [mailto:Juergen.Nieveler () arxes de] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 10:40 AM To: 'Lance Spitzner'; firewall-wizards () nfr com Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] Castles and Security (fwd)
I recently answered an extremely interesting question concerning the comparison of castles to network security. Below is the email, I'm interested in any feedback.
Just my 0.02 EUR: The problem with this comparison is that unlike the defenders of castles and fortresses, firewall admins aren't allowed to use heavy artillery :-) As a firewall admin, all you can do is watch the hackers attack your network, and if they find a whole you can fix it. Oh, and while we're on the topic of "undefeatable fortresses": The belgian government believed that making a mountain into a gun-armed fortress with lots of bunkers, howitzers etc. would really be undefeatable even back in the 1930s and up to WW2. They had layered defenses, machine gun pillboxes etc, so that it was impossible to go anywhere near that fortress without being seen and shot at (whith values of "near" measured in km). Then WW2 came, and the fortress had to surrender in a few hours to an attacking force of only 72 men who landed ON TOP of the fortress and blew up the guns one by one. More info on Fort Eben-Emael can be found here: http://www.fort-eben-emael.be/ Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Yours sincerely Juergen Nieveler EncreasE AG UB eCommerce Tel.: +49/241/16008-327 Fax: +49/241/16008-354 Email: juergen.nieveler () arxes de Web: www.encrease.de PGP: 2AAB A988 0B80 D53F FC53 3BED 8CC0 2092 922D 8378 (DH) 5ADF A15E 91E4 98DB 2391 0D29 8B08 A884 (RSA) Disclaimer: Views are mine, not my employers´ _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () nfr com http://www.nfr.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () nfr com http://www.nfr.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
Current thread:
- Castles and Security (fwd) Lance Spitzner (Jan 02)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Talisker (Jan 02)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Darren Reed (Jan 02)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Jürgen Nieveler (Jan 02)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) twaszak (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Crist Clark (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Antonomasia (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Stiennon,Richard (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Security Related (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Crispin Cowan (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Marcus J. Ranum (Jan 03)
- RE: Castles and Security (fwd) Lance Spitzner (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Darren Reed (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) John McDermott (Jan 03)
- Re: Castles and Security (fwd) Darren Reed (Jan 03)
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