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Re: Personal Firewall Day?
From: Christopher Hicks <chicks () chicks net>
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT)
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
Linux can't do it because it's contrary to its proponent's mind-sets.
I'm a Linux proponent and it's not contrary to my mind set!
Maybe Sony can do it through their Playstation sales unit.
The less Sony is in your IT the happier you will be.
Basically, the answer is to kill off general-purpose computing for 99.9% of the desktops in the world.
That's what the Linux Terminal Server Project and other similar efforts are trying to accomplish. But when I've offered to do such things for a few churches and schools, and even give the folks whatever missing hardware, they still cling fondly to their Microsoft desktops. It's going to take those people "passing away" before this technology is going to be able to penetrate.
I think Schneier and Geer et al were wrong when they wrote their little paper about Microsoft monoculture being dangerous - they adopted a disease model and, like most analogies, they let the analogy steer their thinking.
Whining about monocultures is a lot easier than thinking about immune systems in a broader sense or living things in a broader sense. One place their analogy breaks down is in failing to recognize that the "desktop" and other technological niches are niches that may be best fit by one species. This sort of thing happens in the real world all the time. In those cases the species has to learn to defend itself against various things including diseases.
What we need is a monoculture but we need to recognize that we're building one and make sure it has a good immune system that can spread and share immunity as fast (ideally faster!) than new cyberpathogens can spread. But that's a topic for another day. ;)
Moving to a "grid computing" world with dumb desktop nodes would make me a very happy camper. It would also decimate 80% of help desk jobs. But complaining about linux guys not being interested in making such a thing is missing the point. We're not lacking the underlying technology to make these things happen. We're lacking the application set to make it so utterly compelling that people want to jump on. Evolution is great, but it's a GUI and doesn't work without it. That would run across our ultimate system, but we need to get people on the system with their current machine before they move all the way in. To do that we need web interfaces for all of these things. And that's going to take people relaxing about the underlying OS which seems quite adequate now and spend some time focusing on those boring pesky applications. -- </chris> No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. -Niels Bohr, physicist (1885-1962) _______________________________________________ firewall-wizards mailing list firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
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