Re: Re: Spyware mumbo jumbo and bigger woes

[Crispin Cowan <crispin () immunix com>]

I parsed Dave's comment the other way, that spyware is vaguely 
illegitimate and unpleasant, while phishing is outright illegal.

Crispin

Adam Shostack wrote:

> Dave,
>
>         I suspect I misunderstand you.
>
>         Are you saying that the practice of phishing is in a grey
> area?  I mean, I'm on the side of Abagnale and the redemptionists (to
> reprise a debate), but I have no doubt that phishing is nasty
> misrepresentation and fraud, and not justifiable by any logic.  And I
> say that even as I can appriciate the artistry of a well executed
> phish, in the same way I can appriciate a Jet Li movie.  I wouldn't
> want to hit it in real life.
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:45:24AM -0500, Dave Piscitello wrote:
> | I think the "reason" no one's doing too much evil of the sort you 
> | describe with spyware is that the motivation of spyware companies is 
> | "for profit". Many of the spyware developers are full time 
> | programmers with 401K and medical bennies working for profit-seeking 
> | companies that have deplorable business ethics. Phishing crosses the 
> | vague line between what is illegal and what is unpleasant/intrusive. 
> | 
> | On 2 Dec 2004 at 14:43, J. Oquendo wrote:
> | 
> |  
> | > how long until someone wisens(evils) up and creates a
> | > replica in conjuction with hosts files and scams a couple of thousand
> | > people into sending priceless information to some shmuck with too much
> | > time on his/her hands.
> | 
> | 
> | _______________________________________________
> | firewall-wizards mailing list
> | firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com
> | http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
> _______________________________________________
> firewall-wizards mailing list
> firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com
> http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards
>
>  

--
Crispin Cowan, Ph.D.  http://immunix.com/~crispin/
CTO, Immunix          http://immunix.com

_______________________________________________
firewall-wizards mailing list
firewall-wizards () honor icsalabs com
http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards