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RE: Transitive Trust: 40 million credit cards hack'd


From: Stetser Dan Contr Det 4/LAN <daniel.stetser.ctr () kaenapt af mil>
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:58:12 -1000

The Constitution guarentees the right to arm bears doesn't it?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Shostack [mailto:adam () homeport org] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:57 AM
To: Marcus J. Ranum
Cc: Behm, Jeffrey L.; David Lang; Firewal Wizards
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Transitive Trust: 40 million credit cards hack'd


On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:06:01PM -0400, Marcus J. Ranum wrote:
| Behm, Jeffrey L. wrote:
| >You don't gotta outrun the bear, just
| >the guy next to you.
| 
| That's the strategy that's gotten us where we are today.
| 
| It works great assuming the bear count remains a constant and the 
| bears don't suddenly all come equipped with overdrive. It also assumes 
| that bears exercise reason in selecting their targets. Next-gen 
| malware breaks all of those assumptions.

I like to say that that works only until bears get machine guns.

Adam
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