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Re: IDS testing methodologies
From: "Stephen P. Berry" <spb () meshuggeneh net>
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 14:11:55 -0800
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alvin Oga writes:
in my book ... ( small world ) .. an IDS is not very useful, because, the cracker is already in your network ... game over ...
I couldn't agree less.
If the history of information security has taught us anything, it is that
any system can be compromised, and that any code---OS, application, script,
or whathaveyou---will eventually be found to contain exploitable bugs.
What does this tell us? It tells us that relying entirely on prevention
is not a long-term survivable strategy. Any sane information security
policy must (with the exception of a few goofy border cases) rely on:
-Prevention (keeping the bad guys out)
-Auditing (situational awareness)
-Containment (controlling the failure mode and limiting exposure)
-Remediation (damage control after the fact)
To rely on anything else is to rely on voodoo and wishful thinking.
I won't bore the list with a more long-winded discussion of this point,
but it strikes me that working as a wee sysadminling back in the days
where your MTA -was- sendmail(8) and your DNS -was- bind was probably
very good at teaching some of us the importance of not relying entirely
on prevention as a security strategy. It's now, what, fifteen years
after the Morris worm?
Whenever I hear a security professional talk about a compromise being `game
over', I wonder what they -do-.
- -spb
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Current thread:
- IDS testing methodologies Henrik Falkenthros, direktoer (Jan 02)
- Re: IDS testing methodologies Nigel Houghton (Jan 02)
- Re: IDS testing methodologies Ron Gula (Jan 02)
- Re: IDS testing methodologies Alvin Oga (Jan 02)
- Re: IDS testing methodologies James Riden (Jan 05)
- Re: IDS testing methodologies Mike Lyman (Jan 05)
- Re: IDS testing methodologies s tart Alvin Oga (Jan 06)
- Re: IDS testing methodologies Stephen P. Berry (Jan 06)
- Re: IDS testing methodologies Sam f. Stover (Jan 02)
- RE: IDS testing methodologies Henrik Falkenthros, direktoer (Jan 05)
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