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Re: Professional Groups


From: <bart2k () hushmail com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:07:00 -0800

Scratch the Union idea! I say you look toward a Professional Secret Society...I
hear they were all the rage in past power-player days :)


On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:31:03 -0800 Daniel Sichel <daniels () Ponderosatel com>
wrote:
It's time we as a professional group start talking and walking
like
adults (at least more than in the past), I think. Just playing
with
computers is fine, but not enough.

Agreed.  And believe me, I have spent many an hour trying to figure
out

how to approach the problem.  Unfortunately, every solution I can
come 
up with involves educating the masses . . . many of whom don't
want to 
be confused with facts . . .  ;>

This is off topic but I couldn't help myself. What we need is a
union.
Why? Well right now, management generally buys the software that
has the
cutest infobabes, the best promise, or safe branding (Microsoft).
If we
had a union that negotiated a contract that paid us extra for fixing
software failures or broken installs, so that the bottom line got
hurt
by the crap these people sell, it would take about 5 minutes for
the
priorities to change in purchasing decisions and for SLAs and tech
support to be ratcheted up where they belong. 

Speaking as a US citizen, if we were Teamsters and honored their
picket
lines think of the leverage we would have. Scab truck drivers are
available, but imagine the chaos of scab sys admins or firewall
administrators? And of course when the Teamsters honor our picket
lines,
that wouldn't hurt a bit. 

Be nice to keep our jobs from going to third world countries where
tech
professionals are even more exploited than here. 

But of course, all my technical professional colleagues will pooh-
pooh
the idea of a union. They always do. Think about this, a union for
us
could be like the bar associatio for lawyers or the AMA for doctors.
We
could impose stringent professional abilities, certifications, and
requirements to ensure we are a professional, capable body of people.
We
could institute apprenticeships so we have  a supply of people who
are
more than paper MCSEs or CCNAs.

I am very fortunate that I work in an enlightened company that pays
more
than lip service to standards and security. Management totally backs
us
up on secure and safe computing. No IM, no HTML mail, no user installed
software. A budget for security and training. It is wonderfule.
It is
also the first employer in my 15 years of IT experience that follows
through on these things. But I remember the pain and anguish from
before. If we are going to change our industry so that we can succeed
at
our jobs, we need a union. Period. 


Dan Sichel, Network Engineer
Ponderosa Telephone Company
(559) 868-6367

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