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Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack
From: "Willem Koenings" <isec () europe com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 10:10:30 -0500
hi,
It also is not a list for the benefit exclusively of people who are fortunate enough to have simple security problems. The security issues surrounding the question "how do I keep my home computer safe from attack?" are trivial compared to those surrounding the question "how do I keep the 200,000 computing devices worldwide within my organization from being owned and then attacking each other?"
Anyone with a truly complex security problem knows that it is hopeless to ever really control many computers in the presence of many people. You have no choice in a complex situation but to let things happen that you think are beneficial to you (the vendor installing patches, in this discussion) and find a way, after the fact, or periodically, to confirm that the end result was in fact beneficial to you.
Jason, i have to disagree with you. Security is not a technology, security is a way of thinking (regards goes here to Schneier). And when you start thinking in right way, then there is no difference whatsoever whether the subject is home computer or large production installation. And i have seen, in reality, uncounted time, in respected companies, that after vendor specialist comes and installs updates/patches, system is screwed. Yes, you have contracts, but company's image and face in front of customers is everything. So at least here, in security list, it is wrong to propagate the way that just sit and wait and let the vendor came and fix all. willem - even the best hackers will tell you that the game is a mental one. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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