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RE: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11
From: "Buhrmaster, Gary" <gtb () slac stanford edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:57:13 -0700
-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Troy Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 12:41 PM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11
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I think the worst thing about this is that the FAA and the developers of the app knew about the problem for quite some time, knew what the problem was, and, rather than fix the code, they just rebooted the system to work around it and ignored the main problem. -- Troy
This type of workaround is typical in mission critical code where the cost of recertification exceeds the cost of the workarounds). It is not enough to show that the (corrected) program logic solves a known problem. The (unknown) side effects of adding code (and moving code/data in memory, which may expose another bug/feature) means that the entire system must be recertified to allow a change to move to production. Recertification for large systems can easily run into the millions (when you look at fully encumbered costs). The real issue was not that there was a known problem (all large systems have bugs/features), nor that a choice was made to apply a workaround rather than correct the root cause. It was that the workaround for the problem did not deal with the failure mode of the person (apparently) failing to do his/her job of restarting the system. There should have been some checks to insure that the workaround was performed. I'll bet that the FAA is now instituting such checks. But, of course, hindsight is 20/20. Gary _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Frank Knobbe (Sep 24)
- Re: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Mike Nice (Sep 24)
- RE: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 joe (Sep 24)
- Re: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Byron L. Sonne (Sep 24)
- Re: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Frank Knobbe (Sep 24)
- RE: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Todd Towles (Sep 24)
- RE: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Geo. (Sep 24)
- RE: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Todd Towles (Sep 24)
- RE: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Todd Towles (Sep 24)
- Re: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Georgi Guninski (Sep 24)
- Re: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Ray P (Sep 24)
- RE: Windoze almost managed to 200x repeat 9/11 Buhrmaster, Gary (Sep 25)
