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From: Justin Allen <jallen () logicaldevelopments com au>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:32:05 +0800
If you also read another part of the policy[1] it states that: " We
conclude that we are required by law or have a good faith belief that
access, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably
necessary to protect the rights, property or safety of Google, its users
or the public."

Meaning that they will only disclose your information if they have a
good reason to, not just give it out whenever they want.

I really don't see why people are so paranoid about this, Google is
doing nothing illegal or even unethical. Does it really matter if
another country knows about where John Doe lives or what he gets up to
anyway?

[1] http://www.google.com/privacy.html

Technica Forensis wrote:


I've read it.  It says they can transfer my personal information to
any other google location, including outside my country and that they
can release that information if they are required to by the laws of
that country.  The privacy policy IS their way of informing you of
what they collect and how they use it - no other contact with you is
required.

It's not Google that I don't trust - it's their host nations.  Italian
intel could compel Google to let them search all the Google user's
personal information and suddenly Italy has their own version of
Echelon that allows them to watch what their enemies are searching
for, emailing, and now chatting about.

How worried am I that something like this is actually happening?  Just
look at the domain that serves my email ;-)



On 8/25/05, Justin Allen <jallen () logicaldevelopments com au> wrote:
 


From what I have read it seems that Google can only collect personal

information after asking you, as they say in this sentence:  "When we
require personally identifying information, we will inform you about the
types of information we collect and how we use it."

I suggest you read Google's Privacy Policy[1] properly before making any
more accusations

[1] http://www.google.com/privacy.html

Technica Forensis wrote:

   


I don't understand the big fuss over google talk.


       


I think the fuss has to do with the 'Privacy' paragraph in the terms of service:
"You agree that Google may access or disclose your personal
information, including the content of your communications" and
"Personal information collected by Google may be stored and processed
in the United States or any other country in which Google Inc. or its
agents maintain facilities"

Google itself is located in 11 locations in U.S. and:
Dublin, Ireland
London & Manchester, UK
Sydney, Australia
Toronto & Ontario, Canada
Copenhagen, Denmark
Paris, France
Hamburg, Germany
Bangalore & Hyderabad, India
Milano, Italy
Tokyo, Japan
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Madrid, Spain
Stockholm, Sweden

So, anything I say over gTalk will be stored and can be retreived by
any of these countries.
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Could you please state where it says: "You agree that Google may access
or disclose your personal information, including the content of your
communications" in the privacy policy?<br>
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From what I have read it seems that Google can only collect personal

information after asking you, as they say in this sentence:&nbsp; "When we
require personally identifying information, we will inform you about
the types of information we collect and how we use it."<br>
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I suggest you read Google's Privacy Policy[1] properly before making
any more accusations<br>
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Technica Forensis wrote:
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I think the fuss has to do with the 'Privacy' paragraph in the terms of service:
"You agree that Google may access or disclose your personal
information, including the content of your communications" and
"Personal information collected by Google may be stored and processed
in the United States or any other country in which Google Inc. or its
agents maintain facilities"

Google itself is located in 11 locations in U.S. and:
Dublin, Ireland
London &amp; Manchester, UK
Sydney, Australia
Toronto &amp; Ontario, Canada
Copenhagen, Denmark
Paris, France
Hamburg, Germany
Bangalore &amp; Hyderabad, India
Milano, Italy
Tokyo, Japan
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Madrid, Spain
Stockholm, Sweden

So, anything I say over gTalk will be stored and can be retreived by
any of these countries.
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