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Re: Congress Alarmed At Cyber-Vulnerability Of Power Grid


From: Matt Jonkman <jonkman () jonkmans com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:13:11 -0400

I may (or may not) have done a vulnerability assessment at TVA a few 
years ago. Wasn't very productive. Let's just say that the constraints 
for what we could and couldn't test were.... ummm... preposterous.

But the routers were fine... :)

Matt

Kurt Grutzmacher wrote:
To be fair, the TVA report came from the GAO and I've yet to read a GAO 
report on "cyber security" that wasn't bad news for the organization 
being audited. If they were to go to any other utility company in the 
world I'm sure they'd find similar issues as their standards are 
(rightfully so) very high.

That's not to say there aren't problems at TVA as I'm sure there are. 
NERC is more concerned on keeping the power running which includes 
things like life and health safety, flowing electricity between long 
distances and different companies, making sure generation is there, etc. 
Cyber security is on the list and if companies don't follow their CIP 
standard they face huge fines (up to $1m a day of non-compliance).

Suffice to say power companies are an old lot here in the US and as such 
have an air of self-importance which leads to the "we know what's best" 
syndrome. After all, they have to keep the lights on and the hospitals 
running.



On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Juha-Matti Laurio 
<juha-matti.laurio () netti fi <mailto:juha-matti.laurio () netti fi>> wrote:

     From Forbes.com:

    ".....
    I think we could search far and wide and not find a more
    disorganized response to a national security issue of this import,"
    said Rep. James Langevin (D-R.I.), chairman of the Subcommittee on
    Emerging Threats, Cybersecurity and Science and Technology.
    He pointed a finger to several groups: the DHS for giving scanty
    details of its video-taped simulation; the power industry for
    working too slowly to mitigate the threat; and the North American
    Electric Reliability Corporation, an industry group, for failing in
    its role as the self-regulatory body assigned to ensure a consistent
    national power supply.
    "Everything about the way this vulnerability was handled … leaves me
    with little confidence that we're ready or willing to deal with the
    cyber security threat," he said.

    The House's criticisms focused primarily on the electric utility
    industry group, NERC. They argued that the advisories issued by NERC
    are ineffective and that it has repeatedly misled the House in its
    investigation of the Aurora vulnerability."
    --clip--

    More at
    http://www.forbes.com/technology/2008/05/22/cyberwar-breach-government-tech-security_cx_ag_0521cyber.html

    And CNN's Study finds TVA vulnerable to hacking:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/21/cyber.attack/

    "The Tennessee Valley Authority, which supplies power to almost 9
    million Americans, "has not fully implemented appropriate security
    practices to protect the control systems used to operate its
    critical infrastructures," leaving them "vulnerable to disruption,"
    the Government Accountability Office found."
    --clip--

    There are many readers (including me) happy now about living outside
    of US...

    Juha-Matti

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