Re: climate gate and programming bugs

[Michael Collins <mcollins () aleae com>]

Since this is becoming something of a rant about the Tesla, which in  
its defense is a sweet piece of machinery, I should point out the  
issue here isn't the Tesla (which, in addition to being a sweet piece  
of machinery, has a 53k sedan model coming out for the 2012 model  
year), it's about the future.  You can either view it with fear,  
masochism, denial or curiosity - everyone appears to be fixated on the  
first three, I have more fun with the fourth.

What I'm really waiting for, and since my Russian isn't quite up to  
snuff I haven't found primary sources on this yet, but I'm sure  
somebody in Russia has thought about "climate change = permanent warm- 
water port".  I'm waiting until the discussions start moving towards  
whether we want to stabilize at a particularly higher temperature than  
over the last century - sort of a Mississippi River Commission for  
temperature.


On Dec 10, 2009, at 10:24 PM, Larry Seltzer wrote:

> A Tesla costs a 100 fucking thousand dollars, and I'm sure they're
> losing money on every car. It's not a matter of convenience.
>
> Larry Seltzer
> Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
> larry_seltzer () ziffdavis com
> http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [funsec] climate gate and programming bugs
>
> Well, I'm given to wonder how affordable is defined. Short term
> convenience versus medium term extinction?
>
> Yeh, convenience is important.
>
> Sounds like a good bet to me, at least we will no longer have silly
> debates over the reality of a warming planet.
>
>
>
> On 11/12/09 07:50, Larry Seltzer wrote:
> > Anybody would prefer an affordable Tesla. The problem is that they're
> > not, and they won't be any time soon. Do you think the solution is to
> > make gasoline-based cars unaffordable as well?
> >
> > Larry Seltzer
> > Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
> > larry_seltzer () ziffdavis com
> > http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Collins [mailto:mcollins () aleae com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:32 PM
> > To: Dan Kaminsky
> > Cc: Larry Seltzer; funsec
> > Subject: Re: [funsec] climate gate and programming bugs
> >
> > But it's so much more *fun* to protect current business models and
> > outmoded energy production techniques rather than grab a  brave new
> > future, Dan.
> >
> > Seriously, I don't understand, even apart from the climate change
> > issue while people are so happy to keep sending money to the
> > custodians of the two shrines  and continue the operation of  
> > petroleum
>
> > cracking plants.  Those bastards stink like three graves invading  
> > your
>
> > nasal cavity.  I appreciate the sweet pickup of a nice V8 as the next
>
> > man, but I'll happily buy a Tesla when they're affordable.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Dan Kaminsky wrote:
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Larry Seltzer
> > > <larry () larryseltzer com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > The reality is that for a whole bunch of reasons, a lot of stuff
> > > just isn't available.  If you want it, if you want to reimplement
> > > it, you get documentation in the form of a paper showing how to
> > > achieve what is claimed.  Is the paper enough?  Sometimes it is,
> > > yeah.  But always?  Even often?  No, not at all.
> > >
> > > That's as may be. If we're expected to impose massive taxes and
> > > regulations on the economy based on this supposedly settled science
> > > we need to expect more in the way of proof.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's a talking point.  Delay, delay, delay, ignore reality when it's
>
> > > inconvenient.
> > >
> > > The scientific consensus around climate change is *overwhelming*.
> > >
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