Intrusion Detection Systems mailing list archives
Re: Fragmentation Question
From: dugsong () monkey org (Dug Song)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:50:01 -0400 (EDT)
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Greg Shipley wrote:
Okay, assuming that Dragon and NFR are the only two Network-based Intrusion Detection systems that do packet re-assembly
they're not. a few other products which had new versions released recently (perhaps not-so-coincidentally after fragrouter's release) now do some level of reassembly.
1. Deny all fragments into the network. I see this is a bad idea
you're right. :-) additionally, IDSs that alert on "short" frags (< 128 bytes) need to be careful, because these are often just trailing last fragments (which also do not have to be a multiple of 8 bytes in length).
2. Have some perimeter device re-assemble fragmented packets BEFORE they get to the IDS.
this is the point of Vern Paxson's traffic normalizer, presented at the last RAID conference. his normalizer helps offload some of the work (checksum verification, etc.) from the IDS behind it, as well as actively rewriting some fields (e.g. TTL) to try to resolve ambiguity. IP fragmentation is only one attack. there are also many TCP-based attacks (e.g. segment reordering, overlap, etc.) you have to account for by doing session reassembly, and even then you can be attacked (e.g. all kinds of desynchronization attacks, insertion attacks based on sequence numbers just outside the window, etc.). -d. http://www.monkey.org/~dugsong/
Current thread:
- Re: Assessment tools/Scanners, (continued)
- Re: Assessment tools/Scanners Dug Song (Oct 10)
- Re: Assessment tools/Scanners Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 10)
- Anomaly detection [was Re: Assessment tools/Scanners] Stuart Staniford-Chen (Oct 11)
- Re: Anomaly detection [was Re: Assessment tools/Scanners] Dug Song (Oct 12)
- Re: Anomaly detection [was Re: Assessment tools/Scanners] Stuart Staniford-Chen (Oct 12)
- Re: Anomaly detection [was Re: Assessment tools/Scanners] Dug Song (Oct 12)
- Re: Assessment tools/Scanners Dug Song (Oct 10)
- Pricing intrusions Stuart Staniford-Chen (Oct 12)
- Re: Pricing intrusions Marcus J. Ranum (Oct 13)
- Re: Pricing intrusions Fernando Trias (Oct 13)
- Fragmentation Question Greg Shipley (Oct 13)
- Re: Fragmentation Question Dug Song (Oct 14)
- Re: Pricing intrusions Ryan M. Ferris (Oct 14)
- Re: Pricing intrusions Stuart Staniford-Chen (Oct 13)
- Re: Assessment tools/Scanners Martin Roesch (Oct 11)
- Re: Assessment tools/Scanners Greg Shipley (Oct 12)
- Re: Assessment tools/Scanners Martin Roesch (Oct 12)
