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Re: RE: More on EMERALD


From: "b.g.miller" <b.g.miller () home com>
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:53:35 -0400

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Sorry my comments came across that way to you.  Except for the user interface, it would have been the highest ranked 
system in the study.
As for my "little has changed" comment, I meant that only on face value - the approach was good back then and, if 
you've stuck with the
basic scheme, I would anticipate that it's vastly improved (as indicated by the results you mentioned).

Alfonso Valdes wrote:

The operative word in the message below is "a number of years ago".  Before Teresa left for DARPA would have been ca. 
1995.

To say that "little has changed" is inaccurate. Our architecture of distributed lightweight sensors, and our use of 
both signature and
probabilistic methods, is unique.  Most recently our components were fielded side by side with commercial system 
"Brand X" in a
government setting, and we stood up quite well, thank you.

I understand skepticism, but I invite you to download the Solaris monitor TODAY,

http://sdl.sri.com/emerald/releases/eXpert-BSM/

and try it out.  We will shortly come out with a suite of host and network sensors, using signature and probabilistic 
techniques,
listening at various points in the enterprise, and managed from a common interface.  EMERALD is the leader in breadth 
of coverage and
diversity of inference techniques.  Stay tuned to the web site.

"b.g.miller" wrote:

Paul Proctor (the original developer of CMDS) and I evaluated the earliest incarnations of the SRI project - IDES 
and NIDES under a
Navy study a number of years ago (before Teresa Lunt left for DARPA).  I have to say, on face value, that it 
appears that very
little has changed as far as system architecture or detection approach.  At the time we evaluated it as a sound 
product with great
potential, but sorely lacking in the human factors end of things.  A Los Alamos Labs effort called "Wisdom & Sense" 
was the only one
we rated higher.

Bobby Miller
Information Assurance Consultant
DynCorp Information Systems

"Meritt, Jim" wrote:

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Has anyone outside of SRI evaluated this thing?  How might I see what THEY
said?  Nothing against SRI or DARPA, but I'd really like to see some
independent (from the developer/pay the bills) information...

Jim

_______________________
The opinions expressed above are my own.  The facts simply are and belong to
none.
James W. Meritt, CISSP, CISA
Senior Secure Systems Engineer at Wang Government Services, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alfonso Valdes [mailto:alfonso.valdes () sri com]
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 8:07 PM
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Subject: IDS: More on EMERALD


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Please visit our website http://www.sdl.sri.com/emerald/
for more information about the EMERALD project.

Currently, the only component available for download is our host-based
monitor for Solaris, called eXpert-BSM. However, we plan to release
evaluation versions of several other EMERALD components later
this year,

including a probabilistic anomaly detection monitor for
network traffic
and a suite of signature-based network monitors.

The EMERALD Development Project Team
System Design Laboratory, SRI International
emerald () sdl sri com




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