RE: Re: Jobs @NSW, @Cisco, @Hiverworld, @ISS, @NetworkICE, @ NSA, ....

["Duggan, Sean" <SDuggan () clicknet com>]

I didn't send this, I think meritt did

-----Original Message-----
From: Duggan, Sean [mailto:SDuggan () clicknet com]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 8:31 AM
To: Meritt, Jim; 'Daniel R Ellis/Austin/IBM'; ids () uow edu au
Subject: RE: IDS: Re: Jobs @NSW, @Cisco, @Hiverworld, @ISS, @NetworkICE, @
NSA, ....



Wouldn't it be just as easy not to open the mail? I find I don't have time
to open everything I get. Sean, a recruiter 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Meritt, Jim [ mailto:Jim.Meritt () wang com <mailto:Jim.Meritt () wang com>
] 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 1:54 PM 
To: 'Daniel R Ellis/Austin/IBM'; ids () uow edu au 
Subject: RE: IDS: Re: Jobs @NSW, @Cisco, @Hiverworld, @ISS, @NetworkICE, 
@ NSA, .... 


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And this is applicable to the Intrusion Detection Mailing list how? 

If you don't have a direct, specific answer take it someplace else. 

_______________________ 
The opinions expressed above are my own.  The facts simply are and belong to

none. 
James W. Meritt, CISSP, CISA 
Senior Information Systems Security and Audit Analyst, Information Assurance

Center of Excellence 
Wang Government Services, Inc. 


-----Original Message----- 
From: Daniel R Ellis/Austin/IBM [ mailto:drellis () us ibm com
<mailto:drellis () us ibm com> ] 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 11:53 AM 
To: ids () uow edu au 
Subject: RE: IDS: Re: Jobs @NSW, @Cisco, @Hiverworld, @ISS, @NetworkICE, 
@ NSA, .... 


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Because there is much more to our industry than a listing and description 
of various jobs.  My proposition was not simply a job listing, but a more 
complete indicator of market vitality 
. 

_______________ 
Dan Ellis 
AIX Security Group 
(512) 838-7909 
drellis () us ibm com 

Carpe Diem 


"Tyzenhaus, Laurie A." <latyzenhaus () anl gov> on 09/15/2000 10:25:15 AM 

To:   Daniel R Ellis/Austin/IBM@IBMUS 
cc: 
Subject:  RE: IDS: Re: Jobs @NSW, @Cisco, @Hiverworld, @ISS, @NetworkICE, @ 
      NSA, .... 



why not just have them send all security related jobs to "security-jobs" 
and 
be done with it... 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Daniel R Ellis/Austin/IBM [ mailto:drellis () us ibm com
<mailto:drellis () us ibm com> ] 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 8:32 AM 
To: ids () uow edu au 
Subject: Re: IDS: Re: Jobs @NSW, @Cisco, @Hiverworld, @ISS, @NetworkICE, 
@NSA, .... 


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    I agree with you, Mark.  I enjoy seeing how the industry is fairing. 
Job postings are a good signal as to growth and/or stability (it is good 
for morale).  I also understand why some people would be annoyed; I don't 
like being spammed with 100's of listings of jobs that don't fit my skills 
or interests.  I suggest that lists like this create a special topic "IDS: 
Market Vitality" that includes a listing of: technological milestones, 
social headlines (public policy/legislation/acceptance that directly 
affects our industry), and job listings.  Each listing, of course, would 
have a direct connection to the computer security industry in general. 
     Would IDS be willing to monitor such a discussion topic? 
     Am I alone in being interested in such a discussion topic? 

_______________ 
Dan Ellis 
AIX Security Group 
(512) 838-7909 
drellis () us ibm com 

Carpe Diem 


"Mark L. Fausett" <mfausett () bbn com>@uow.edu.au on 09/14/2000 01:29:29 PM 

Sent by:  owner-ids () uow edu au 


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cc: 
Subject:  IDS: Re: Jobs @NSW, @Cisco, @Hiverworld, @ISS, @NetworkICE, @NSA, 
      .... 



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As a small counterpoint - I find them interesting for two reasons: 

It gives me some small indication of the health of the industry, and of 
particular companies, and 
(to me) more importantly, it tells me who might be doing interesting work 
in 
my geographic area. 
Developing/integrating c2 s/w is what I currently do for a living, but 
systems and network security is my passion. 

Mark Fausett 
Division Engineer, C2 Systems 
BBN Technologies, San Diego, CA 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Gula" <rgula () network-defense com> 
To: <ids () uow edu au> 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:18 AM 
Subject: IDS: Jobs @NSW, @Cisco, @Hiverworld, @ISS, @NetworkICE, @NSA, .... 


> Archive: http://msgs.securepoint.com/ids <http://msgs.securepoint.com/ids>

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> Hey come on! 
>
> Email solicitations for jobs on security lists are about as 
> annoying as head hunters! 
>
> Ron Gula, VP Product 
> Enterasys Networks