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Re: Mod FWD
From: "Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr () nfr net>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:14:32 -0400
Archive: http://msgs.securepoint.com/ids FAQ: http://www.ticm.com/kb/faq/idsfaq.html IDS: http://www-rnks.informatik.tu-cottbus.de/~sobirey/ids.html HELP: Having problems... email questions to ids-owner () uow edu au NOTE: Remove this section from reply msgs otherwise the msg will bounce. SPAM: DO NOT send unsolicted mail to this list. UNSUBSCRIBE: email "unsubscribe ids" to majordomo () uow edu au ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jackie Chan wrote:
It indicates a design process that is not unique to ISS, but is unique to any and all software companies where the investors hold the major share of the company.
Sorry to argue with you, but I've got proof that it isn't. ;) NFR's investors, from the inception of the company, owned a majority of the shares, and we've _NEVER_ pushed something out the door that has been anything less than the best we could make. Also, back when I used to build firewalls, I never built anything but the _BEST_ firewalls I knew how to make. Doing the best you can, technically, is a habit that's hard to break. Sure, there will always be products that are mediocre and well-marketed, but there will always be a niche for the best, too. > Engineering Typically takes all of it's cues
from MRD's (Marketing Requirement Documents). Notice there is no creativity fed into that process, just stuff that the marketeers have deduced, (from customer feedback, and general market analysis), will generate more revenue.
Gee, that's not how we design things here at NFR. We build the best stuff we know how to build, listen to our customers and competitors, and try to make it better. That's a marketing function but it's also a technical function; I am in the middle of both of those. [...deletia...]
The blame then lies on us, the ones who should know better and truly wish to solve a problem (and hopefully get rich along the way). It is OUR responsibility to explain to upper mgmt how this "required" feature will generate more revenue. And "everyone else does" doesnt cut it with business men. perhaps rewording to "our product will be less than the industry standard unless..." would be a better approach.
I don't think assigning blame is worthwhile. Who's to blame, the people who produce mediocre stuff or the people who justify the production of mediocre stuff by buying it? I think there's enough to go around - obviously. It's just not worth playing the blame game. The only way I know to move ahead is to build the best thing (whatever it is) you know how to build, and deal with integrity. Tell your customers why your stuff is good, show them that it works, and the rest is up to them. Some of them will still buy junk with a slick paint job, but often they'll come back to you when they discover beauty is only skin deep. The recent thread on benchmarks and the kind of bogus posturing some vendors do is another illustration of the problem. Some folks buy things based on those kinds of claims, and never realize they've been snookered. In the long run, though, that kind of thing comes to light. As long as customers tolerate it, though, it'll keep happening.
<tongue in cheek> But until us jolt cola drinking introverts learn how to persuade the business men of this world, we will rely on third party reviews from the grass roots of the community to make change in _ANY_ commercial product. </tongue>
I know your comments are tongue in cheek, but let me react to them, anyhow. :) The way to "persuade" businessmen is to become them. The face of business in America is changing very rapidly, as the technophiles are now driving a big chunk of the economy. A _hell_ of a lot of "new businesses" are founded by ex-techies - and we all know there is never such a thing as an "ex-" techie. Hey, I still run OpenBSD servers at home, and hack kernel code when I'm not talking to VCs and investment bankers. I still design the best systems I know how to design, even if it's no longer me personally that's doing the building of them. The times, they are a changin'! mjr. ----- Marcus J. Ranum Chief Technology Officer, Network Flight Recorder, Inc. Work: http://www.nfr.net Personal: http://www.ranum.com
Current thread:
- Re: Mod FWD, (continued)
- Re: Mod FWD Jackie Chan (Sep 06)
- Re: Mod FWD Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 06)
- Re: Mod FWD Jackie Chan (Sep 06)
- Re: Mod FWD Keiji Takeda (Sep 07)
- Re: Mod FWD mark . teicher (Sep 07)
- Re: Mod FWD Dragos Ruiu (Sep 08)
- Re: Mod FWD mark . teicher (Sep 08)
- Re: Mod FWD Keiji Takeda (Sep 08)
- Re: Mod FWD Richard Jones (Sep 08)
- Re: Mod FWD Jackie Chan (Sep 08)
- Re: Mod FWD Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 08)
- Re: Mod FWD Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 06)
- Re: Mod FWD Jackie Chan (Sep 06)
- Re: Mod FWD Marcus J. Ranum (Sep 06)
