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Re: RPAT - Realtime Proxy Abuse Triangulation


From: tcleary2 () csc com au
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:59:17 +0800

Greg Barnes said:

And this is precisely because it is illegal.  I'm not a lawyer
(or an ethics expert !clearly!) but perusing other people's
property appears to fall into one of the camps you describe
earlier...So, I have to ask myself, by what standard, and by
whom will I be judged?

Greg,

IANAL.

But back when I was a police officer in the UK, the definition of burglary
was when a person "enters property as a trespasser with the intent to
commit an arrestable offence <other stuff dropped>"

Now there are definitions for what property is, what trespass is and what
an arrestable offence is ( as well as intent ) and if it fits, one could
arrest for burglary.

And believe me ( because I had jobs that fit this description ) going into
an unlocked house and looking around is trespass ( civil tort ) not
burglary ( crime ), unless the accused admits he was going in to
steal/damage/commit arson etc. etc.

Applying analogies for laws which anyone above a three year old can get
away with by simply not telling the truth ( and don't get me started about
how hard it is to prove "handling stolen goods" ) to anything on the
Internet is not sane practice.

Move on, nothing to see, here.

Regards,

tom.

P.S. I am also grateful to Jay for the philosophy lesson. Any pointers to
sites on formal logic? -tcy
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