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IP: Time for some smiles -- "fictionnal" FAQ about the obligation to pay income taxes


From: David Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:15:01 -0400



From: "Jean-Francois Avon" <jf_avon () citenet net>
To: "jf_avon () citenet net" <jf_avon () citenet net>
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:50:35 -0400


Note: This message seems to also fully apply to Kanada.

I added notes to the original text and they are between
brackets    [note: ... ]

JFA


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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:13:49 +1200
From: N King <standupnz () clear net nz>
Organization: STAND UP NEW ZEALAND
Subject: American but not unlike here

Thanks to the sender..... this is ever so slightly US but the
same thing is here....Just ask for the tax pack....

Below is a fictional FAQ, with an honest IRS agent answering
questions  that might be posed to them by an American
concerned about his rights.  If such an agent answered
questions like this on the record, he would, of course lose
his job.  But these answers are consistent with our knowledge
of the way the tax system works, and we can supply you with
material that we believe will convince you of this too.  To
learn more, contact one of our associates.

Q. Why does the government violate my rights?

A. It's not violating them at all.

Q. Why is it then that I have money taken from my paycheck in
violation of my right to property?

A. You voluntarily signed a withholding agreement, called a
W4, and your employer is simply following your instructions
to withhold funds.

[Tax laws seems to be private laws, apparently applying to a
specific type of entity and not to everybody as criminal laws
are.  Why do you have to sign your income tax form?  Maybe to
agree to the contract that makes you become a "taxpayer"?  By
becoming so, maybe you accept to abandon your personnal
rights by agreeing to the terms of the contract?]

[You don't have to sign a paper saying that you will not kill
or steal or etc.  So, why do you have to sign your income tax
return if it was a law as mandatory as the one saying that
you shall not kill or steal? ( same applies for driving
licence, and marriage licence, etc) ]

Q. But my employer says I'm required by law to fill it out.

A. It is not the government's problem if your employer is
ignorant of the law.  It's up to you to know your rights and
assert them.

Q. But my employer says his attorney told him that the law
requires him to withhold it.

A. It is not the government's problem if your employer hires
an attorney that does not understand the law; it is up to him
to know his rights and to assert them.

Q. But the employer's attorney says he learned it at law
school.

A. It is not the government's fault if the law school teaches
incorrect material.

Q. But the law school says it relied on advice from the
government, to formulate its course material.

A. The government never stated explicitly that all Americans
are required to submit to withholding.  It is not the
government's fault if the law school inferred that there was
such a requirement; the people running the law school are
presumed to know about rights under the law -- they are a law
school after all -- and if they happen not to know, that's
really too bad.

Q.What about all the messages on TV and newspapers that talk
about how people need to get their taxes in?

A. We think it's wonderful that so many people feel they need
to send us money.  But we never explicitly told anyone they
are required by law to do so.  Our job is only to maximize
voluntary compliance with our rules for submitting money into
our fund.  To this end, we will say whatever will lead to
maximizing revenue, except stating outright that people are
required by law to follow our rules -- after all, that would
be dishonest.

Q. What about all the people you prosecute for tax evasion?

A. We sent those people bills for what they themselves said
under penalty of perjury      [NOTE: according to the
contract that you agreed to by signing it]     that they owe
us.  When someone sends us a statement under penalty of
perjury that they owe us, we are legally compelled to believe
them.  When we don't receive payment from such people, we
forward the information to our bill collection department,
and they do everything in their power to collect such a legal
debt, including prosecuting anybody who wilfully evades their
admitted liability.  After all, if we acquire a reputation
for not being dilligent about collecting our accounts
receivables, why would anybody pay us?

Q. How can it be a liability if it's not mandatory?

A. According to the Constitution, the government is not at
liberty to impair the obligation of contracts.  The Supreme
Court has held that if people act under what would be an
unconstitutional statute, they must take the consequences.
Since people are voluntarily following our taxing rules, even
though it would be unconstitutional if made mandatory, we are
entitled to treat it as a contractual liability.  Having done
this, we are not at liberty to interfere with the obligation
it creates.  The law is very specific about this.

Q. Will you tell me in writing that it's voluntary and I'm
not required to do it, so I won t get in trouble later if I
stop paying?

A. Why would we do a thing like that?  We have a good thing
going, and we don't want to ruin it.
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