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IP: Re: degreeless talent


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:58:45 -0400



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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:54:34 -0400
To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: IP: degreeless talent

Perhaps my irony was too subtle in my original comments.  So here's some 
decoding.

I am deeply offended by the chauvinism/racism inherent in the idea that 
the ethnic background of research lab workers is a measure of whether 
Americans are innovative.  Most of those under-45 HP'ers are not on H1B 
visas.  The majority are just Americans who happen to have last names that 
are Asian or Hispanic or European.  My alma mater (MIT) and my son's 
(Caltech) are also now full of people who don't have the traditional 
surnames associated with "Americans".  If the "New Democrats" focus on 
surnames as a measure of "Americanism", they deserve to fail (and as one 
who votes Democrat often, I hope they wise up).  The Democrats of the 
'70's would never have played this game of equating ethnicity with 
American.  Thus my snide comment about "white boys" - intended to poke fun 
at those who measure "American" by such stereotypes.

I mention Bush, Gates, and Andreesen's attitudes about education because 
their public comments devaluing learning are also deeply offensive to 
me.  As Dan Lynch points out, they are indeed full of shit, but as our 
recent dot-com hysteria points out, American culture (at least the 
news&media) tends to celebrate the idea that learning is useless, 
clever/sharp dealing is more worthwhile than scientific understanding, and 
technical skills are less important than glamor and power.  America is no 
longer the culture that celebrated Einstein in the first half of the 20th 
century.

A couple of people seemed to think my comments were "racist".  It's hard 
not to use some concept of race or skin color in responding to actual 
racist remarks such as those uttered by the HP lab director and embraced 
by the "New Democrats".  Let's instead focus on helping everyone learn - 
no matter their name, skin color, or country of origin.  Innovation comes 
from diversity of inputs, and our (world) economy will succeed if we stop 
trying to draw boundaries between America and non-America.





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