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IP: Re: one more RE: interesting point on the DMCA also


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:24:51 -0400


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Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 14:51:40 -0700
To: farber () cis upenn edu
From: "Robert M. McClure" <rmm () unidot com>
Subject: Re: IP: one more RE: interesting point on the DMCA also

Spoken like a true ambulance chaser,  Comments included

At 03:51 PM 9/15/01 -0400, you wrote:

Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:34:47 -0400
To: farber () cis upenn edu
From: Tom Goltz <tgoltz () QuietSoftware com>
Subject: Re: IP: RE: interesting point on the DMCA also

At 08:49 PM 9/14/2001 -0400, you wrote:
From: "Sackler, Dr Richard" <333 () pharma com>

3. Limit contingent fees to lawyers to limit to reasonable costs and payment
for time

Speaking as someone who sells his professional services, I strongly oppose this idea. When a lawyer takes on a contingent case, he's gambling. If he wins one case, and gets a million or even ten million dollars in fees, but loses the other five cases he took on that year, is this wrong? I think we should look at it that he's performing a needed public service by taking those other five cases to trial for people who otherwise might lack access to the legal system.

If a contingency attorney loses 80% of his cases, then I would accuse him of frivolous litigation.


When I'm dealing with many of the start-up companies that have been my clients, I quote them an hourly rate for my services. If they want me to accept stock or other forms of future compensation in lieu of cash, the rate goes up by a factor of around ten, in order to try to cover the risk I'm taking. The day that a law passes saying I can't do this, it will be cash on the barrelhead, period.

England seems to have gotten by very well without contingency fee arrangements, thank you.

4. Immunize all those whose facilities (airports) and planes were used to
carry out this outrage.

No way! It was their decision to hire security people, pay them minimum wage, and ignore the fact that they were not doing an effective job. The reasons behind this were entirely financial, and I see no good reason why they should be shielded from the liability and the costs resulting from that decision. It may put a couple of airlines and airports into bankruptcy, but I can promise you that their successors will be a LOT more careful than if we pat them on the shoulder and say "Just try harder next time, please."

At most airports, the airlines do *not* hire the security people. They are hired by the airports, which virtually throughout the United States are owned an operated by cities, states, and yes, even the Federal government. Consider who operates Newark -- the Port Authority -- should we hold them liable. According to my best reading of the Constitution, national security is still the domain of the
federal government, not the Port Authority.

Have any doubts about airport security? As you sample the following links, ask yourself if this is the behavior that you want to indemnify:

No one is claiming that airport security is great. The evidence is otherwise. However, the kind of security necessary to absolutely, unequivocally prevent the attacks that happened this week is too onerous for Americans to bear. Some reason must be applied to this situation.

Consider the following. Five thousand people, give or take a few, lost their lives in the terrorist attack this week. This is approximately 10% of the number of people who will lose their lives in automobile accidents this year. The damage done is estimated at 5-20 billion dollars. The congress has just appropriated *40* billion to do something (exactly what we do not yet know).

This writer would sink the best, most reliable, safest, airline system in the world to enrich a few more trial lawyers. Rubbish! I don't think he has the slightest clue about how the world works.

Bob McClure




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