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more on UK Independent on Florida E-Voting
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:36:24 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb () research att com> Date: September 29, 2004 7:25:46 PM EDT To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: more on UK Independent on Florida E-VotingIn message <5C9850EC-1264-11D9-B62A-000393D166C6 () farber net>, David Farber writ
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More phantom non-voters showed up in an election in Palm Beach County in January. Again, those supposedly present but not voting (137 people) greatly exceeded the margin of victory (12 votes). That persuaded a local Democrat Congressman, Robert Wexler, to sue LePore and the state of Florida to force them to adopt a paper trail. The case is pending.
This is not the first report of large-scale undervoting with touchscreen electronic voting machines. I suspect that a paper trail will prove nothing, because (in this case) I suspect that the machines are accurately recording what happened: no votes were cast by those people. But the reason for that is a bit more complex. With a paper ballot, hand-counted or mark sense, you know when you've voted for someone. WIth a lever machine, you have to pull a large handle that both records your vote *and* opens the curtain -- and the curtain has metal rods in it, so it's hard to just push it aside. In other words, the voting machine itself helps protect against inadvertent undervotes. WIth the new elecgtronic machines, however, the curtains are just that, curtains, and they're meant to be pushed aside. To record your vote, you have to press a special button, but there's no mechanism to make sure you do so. That makes it easy to forget. I chatted with some of the poll workers in my precinct about this during this year's presidential primary (New Jersey's was held in late June, long after the race was decided, so turnout was *very* light -- hours after the polls opened, my wife and I were voters #5 and 6. They had plenty of time to talk....) They confirmed that the was a significant problem. Now, properly-trained poll workers will notice that something is wrong, because the machine does have an interlock preventing the next voter from being authorized while a previous vote is pending. If turnoutis light, or if the poll workers aren't watching for the problem (visible
via external lights), undervotes are very easy. But I can easily envision problems during a busy election, when things are very hectic and it's hard to call back someone who, after waiting on a long line, is rushing for the door. What should the poll workers do? Press the "cast vote" button? Reset the machine? What are the *procedures*, both in Florida and around the country? There are two morals here. The first, of course, is that procedures matter; the second is that subtle human factors issues can be extremely important. Most of the fuss has been about the software; very little attention has been paid to how these machines are actually used. ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as interesting-people () lists elistx com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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