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Re: House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites

From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:42:15 -0800

________________________________________
From: Lauren Weinstein [lauren () vortex com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:55 PM
To: David Farber
Cc: lauren () vortex com
Subject: Re: [IP] House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites

Dave,

Just as a data point, it's amusing to note that Google Images returns
over one million hits on "hentai" alone, including a very creative
image I noticed that at first glance appears to be the Thunderbird
mail application icon -- but, uh, on closer inspection, isn't.  Many
of these images are very childlike.  Would Google need to file a
report for each?  Insanity.

Attempts to turn ISPs and other Net-related service providers into
the morality squad on the scale envisioned by that legislation are
simply ludicrous.  Protecting children from abuse is one thing, but
the term "overreaching" was tailor-made for these kinds of
essentially political shenanigans.

--Lauren--
Lauren Weinstein
lauren () vortex com or lauren () pfir org
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
http://www.pfir.org/lauren
Co-Founder, PFIR
   - People For Internet Responsibility - http://www.pfir.org
Co-Founder, NNSquad
   - Network Neutrality Squad - http://www.nnsquad.org
Founder, PRIVACY Forum - http://www.vortex.com
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com

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From: EEkid () aol com [mailto:EEkid () aol com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:28 PM
To: dave () farber net; dfarber () cs cmu edu
Subject: House vote on illegal images sweeps in Wi-Fi, Web sites







http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9829759-38.html?tag=repblg





"Wednesday's vote caught Internet companies by surprise: the Democratic
leadership rushed the SAFE Act to the floor under a procedure that's
supposed to be reserved for noncontroversial legislation. It was introduced
October 10, but has never received even one hearing or committee vote. In
addition, the legislation approved this week has changed substantially since
the earlier version
<http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.03791:>  and was not
available <http://www.downsizedc.org/read_the_laws.shtml>  for public
review.

This is what the SAFE Act requires: Anyone providing an "electronic
communication service" or "remote computing service" to the public who
learns about the transmission or storage of information about certain
illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name, mailing
address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for Missing
and Exploited Children's "CyberTipline" and (b) "make a report" to the
CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about the person or
Internet address behind the suspect activity and (d) the illegal images
themselves. (By the way, "electronic communications service" and "remote
computing service" providers already have some reporting requirements under
existing law too.) "



"The definition of which images qualify as illegal is expansive. It includes
obvious child pornography, meaning photographs and videos of children being
<http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2252.html>  molested. But it also
includes photographs
<http://www.news.com/Federal-case-may-redefine-child-porn/2100-1030_3-613952
4.html>  of fully clothed minors in overly "lascivious" poses, and certain
obscene visual <http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1466A.html>
depictions including a "drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting." (Yes,
that covers the subset of anime called hentai
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hentai> )."





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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:28 PM<br>
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October 10, but has never received even one hearing or committee vote. In
addition, the legislation approved this week has changed substantially since

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lack'>This
is what the SAFE Act requires: Anyone providing an &quot;electronic
communication service&quot; or &quot;remote computing service&quot; to the
public who learns about the transmission or storage of information about
certain illegal activities or an illegal image must (a) register their name,
mailing address, phone number, and fax number with the National Center for
Missing and Exploited Children's &quot;CyberTipline&quot; and (b) &quot;mak=
e a
report&quot; to the CyberTipline that (c) must include any information about
the person or Internet address behind the suspect activity and (d) the ille=
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molested</a>. But it also includes <a
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title=3D"Federal case may redefine child porn -- Thursday, Nov 30, 2006">ph=
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tain
<a href=3D"http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1466A.html";>obscene visual
depictions</a> including a &quot;drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or
painting.&quot; (Yes, that covers the subset of anime called <a
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