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Re: Swisscom to deploy multiple fibers per home to enable FAUX competition


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:35 -0500



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From: "Frank A. Coluccio" <frank () fttx org>
Date: December 14, 2008 12:12:47 PM EST
To: "Richard Shockey" <richard () shockey us>
Cc: <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>, <dave () farber net>, <ip () v2 listbox com >, <dewayne () warpspeed com> Subject: RE: [IP] Swisscom to deploy multiple fibers per home to enable FAUX competition
Reply-To: <frank () fttx org>

I thought I'd drop this in here, since it seems apropos. It's part of an dialog I am having with members of the Gilder forum, where this consultant to the world's largest (or should I say, still remaing) securities firms is considered suspect due to 'social leanings'. True that.

ron




Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:01 am    Post subject:       
A national fiber build out with free market incentives to companies and a reduction of regulation-right of way etc. sounds great. If the government did it, I am concerned that it would be inefficient. Also, as copper invites thiefs, would a national fiber optic network invite terrorists?
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FAC





Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject:       
Hi Ron. re:

"If the government did it, I am concerned that it would be inefficient."

I would agree with your assessment here in some ways, especially if government were to emulate the RBOCs and MSOs' current network designs and treatment of subscribers. That would, in my opinion, be a prescription for certain disaster, granted. I'd be less concerned, however, if the government were to prescribe an open architecture in support of plain vanilla connectivity by operators in support of upper layer "services" that could be offered by whomever, including any entities spun out of today's incumbents as long as the proper separations (total divestiture, in other words) were first established. This is not very far fetched, and may in fact be viewed favorably by operators who are seeing their wireline properties constantly under threat of cannibalization from their own wireless parts.

If you think about it though, the government already spells out the nation's fiber policy. Concessions that were made to the incumbents a half-decade ago in the form of 'incentives' now prohibit the sharing of fiber's enormous capacity in a manner that was common in the past under the terms of common carriage.

Instead, fiber's surreal-seeming capacity today remains the sole province of those who were privileged enough to inherit the nation's rights of way from their ancestors who at an earlier time were granted those rights when "common carriage" in its truest and most transparent manifestation was still the order of the day. In return for being granted exclusivity, the incumbents today have, by and large, used fiber primarily for the delivery of eye candy and artificially priced bandwidth in the form of faux broadband.

As a result of the FCC's concessions, roughly two thirds of the nation's citizens, i.e., those who fall within AT&T's and the MSOs' footprints, don't stand much of a chance to see the true benefits of fiber's enormous potential unleashed upon them anytime soon. The other third may get a temporary pass, at some point, by virtue of Verizon's willingness to bite the bullet and push forward with fiber, despite it too being a closed architecture, but even VZ's efforts in the best cases will take a fair number of years before significant penetration rates can be reported.

I don't have a clear view of what the best solution is. And that's okay, too, since arriving at an optimal solution may require innovation and the sort of tweaking that innovation usually entails. What I do know, however, is that we're nowhere near an optimal solution today.

In the end, however, this is not an issue that's resolved with one discussion. It's many discussions.

FAC

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--- richard () shockey us wrote:

From: "Richard Shockey" <richard () shockey us>
To: <frank () fttx org>,  "'Bob Frankston'" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
Cc: <dave () farber net>, <ip () v2 listbox com>,   <dewayne () warpspeed com>
Subject: RE: [IP] Swisscom to deploy multiple fibers per home to enable FAUX competition
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:47:33 -0500

We all know the real economic problem in fiber networking is the “backhoe” issue.


The real cost is the cost of digging. This could have very interesting modeling issues for mobile operators as well. I’m continually fascinated and appalled at the same time by the reluctance of some commentators to understand the real problems are not consumer- residential oriented but mobile backhaul and enterprise. The Swiss may have come up with a solution the real problems mobile operators are having getting competitive optical circuits to backhaul their traffic from towers to their core networks. As for enterprises .. this is equally a reasonable solution.


Not a perfect model,  but one to consider.


From: Frank A. Coluccio [mailto:frank () fttx org]
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:11 PM
To: Bob Frankston
Cc: dave () farber net; ip () v2 listbox com; richard () shockey us; dewayne () warpspeed com
Subject: RE: [IP] Swisscom to deploy multiple fibers per home to enable FAUX competition


One can probably cite problems for any approach that is proposed. In the case at hand, if one were to imagine a single fiber to the end point supporting a single means (technology, protocols, etc.) of connectivity facilitation, then they might conclude that it would be more prudent and probably more practical doing this than administering a half-dozen different connectivity facilitators. On the other hand, a single-facilitator model would not avail itself of any safeguards against the potential abuses or incompetences that a single facilitator might bring to bear.


Multiple providers enabled through multiple fibers (which may soon be anachronistic, since it will soon become equally economical to support multiple faciltators <and upper layer providers>through the use of WDM) might appear to more readily support of choice, On the downside of this second alternative, however, the division of revenues between multiple facilitators would further dillute an already-strained source of funding (namely, the single ratepayer on the end of the fiber) that would needed for monetizing bandwidth -- and this holds especially true for pristine bandwidth that is devoid of any upper layer monetized "services".

--- Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com wrote:

From: "Bob Frankston" <Bob19-0501 () bobf frankston com>
To: <dave () farber net>, "'ip'" <ip () v2 listbox com>
Cc: "Richard Shockey" <richard () shockey us>, "'Dewayne Hendricks'" <dewayne () warpspeed com > Subject: RE: [IP] Swisscom to deploy multiple fibers per home to enable FAUX competition
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:02:55 -0500

Great idea [do I need to say sound of sarcasm?] – but then what do you expect when you think a roadway is more tracks? This is actually a step backwards from PPoE which at least let us share the capacity and then connect to a provider of our choice – now we can’t simply choose a provider (assuming we have to) we need to get them to run a fiber all the way to our homes.


I posited just such a “brilliant” scheme for delivering power two years ago http://www.frankston.com/public/?name=SATNPowerUnshared.


When are we going to get beyond the idea that the Internet is not just about more tubes? And that it’s not about the price but whether we have gatekeepers who can create chokepoints simply so they can create billable events. After all it’s wonderful to have fast tubes to our homes but what about those few moments when we aren’t jacked in at home?


Of course I like speed and the more capacity the better and fiber is cheap but we’re still one idea short of a paradigm shift here. Or perhaps CHF 8e9 ($7e9) short?



From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 13:22
To: ip
Subject: [IP] Swisscom to deploy multiple fibers per home to enable competition




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From: "Richard Shockey" <richard () shockey us>

Date: December 13, 2008 12:38:27 PM EST

To: <dave () farber net>

Subject: FW: [CAnet - news] Swisscom to deploy multiple fibers per home to enable competition




From: news-bounces () canarie ca [mailto:news-bounces () canarie ca] On Behalf Of Bill St. Arnaud
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:30 PM
To: news () canarie ca
Subject: [CAnet - news] Swisscom to deploy multiple fibers per home to enable competition


For more information on this item please visit my blog at

http://green-broadband.blogspot.com/ or http://billstarnaud.blogspot.com

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[Kudos to Swisscom for recognizing that multiple strands of home run fiber is a far better solution than xPON for delivering future proof broadband. It also enables competitors with new business models such as “homes with tails”. Excerpts from Lightwave. Thanks to Harvey Newman for this pointer—BSA]



Swisscom touts "fibre suisse" project

<http://lw.pennnet.com/search/search.cfm?searcharea=articles&keywords=Swisscom >)



Over the next six years, Swisscom is planning to invest some CHF 8 billion in the Swiss telecommunications and IT infrastructure, with 35% of this sum earmarked for fibre-optic expansion.


To enable potential cooperation partners to expand their own fibre- optic infrastructure after the construction work has started, Swisscom will be laying several fibres per household in all areas. One fibre will be used by Swisscom, while the others will be made available to the cooperation partners. The multi-fibre model will prevent the creation of a new network monopoly in Switzerland and also meet competitors' requirements for full access to the local loop.


At the end of July, Swisscom invited potential cooperation partners from the telecommunications, cable, and utilities industries to work with it on building the fibre-optic network, with the aim of implementing the network more quickly and cost-effectively in conjunction with several partners. Moreover, this collaboration will generate competition among different types of networks, boosting investment and innovation and maximising the benefits for customers and home owners, says the carrier.


While laying several fibres per household entails marginally higher investments, it guarantees competition at the technology and service levels. Limiting fibres to one per household would be impractical, says the carrier, since it would endanger the dynamic nature of the market and the technological innovativeness of the telecommunications industry over the next 30 to 50 years.


Find more FTTx news at /Lightwave/'s FTTx Resource Center <http://lw.pennnet.com/articles/lw_onlinearticles.cfm >.




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