Re: Good read Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "L. Leon Campbell" <campbell () udel edu>
> Date: February 10, 2010 5:14:17 PM EST
> To: dave () farber net
> Cc: "L. Leon Campbell" <campbell () udel edu>
> Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Good read    Yale switching to Google Apps /  
> Gmail

> Dave:
>
> UD is switching the undergraduate e-mail to Google Mail.
>
> In doing so a notice was also sent out about  faculty, staff and  
> graduate
> students switching to GMail.
>
> "Faculty, graduate students, and staff are also welcome to move  
> their email to
> Google Apps. However, we urge faculty, staff, and researchers
> (including graduate students) to assess the impact of Federal privacy
> regulations (e.g., FERPA and HIPPA), Federal law, contractual  
> obligations, and
> grant restrictions on their work before moving University-related  
> files and data
> to Google Docs."
>
> IMO, If any students, faculty or staff at Yale share these concerns,  
> they should
> probably consult with the Yale Legal Counsel or the appropriate  
> University
> administrator.
>
> Leon.
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
> > Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:35:58 -0500
> > From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> > Subject: [IP] Re: Good read     Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail
> > To: "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com>
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: "Wendy M. Grossman" <wendyg () pelicancrossing net>
> > Date: February 10, 2010 3:59:45 PM EST
> > To: dave () farber net
> > Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
> > Subject: Re: [IP] re Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail
> > Reply-To: wendyg () pelicancrossing net
> >
> > (For IP if you wish)
> >
> > I looked into this a bit in December 2008 while I was writing a  
> > report for
> (several layers up the food chain) a British govt agency outlining  
> the business
> case for switching to Webmail. What I learned:
> > - the standard Gmail license claims all intellectual property in  
> > everything
> posted to the service. Many universities are concerned about this  
> and some ban
> their research staff from using Gmail as a result.
> > - however, universities can and do negotiate different ToS when
> Gmail/Hotmail is taking over their email provision. So at least some  
> universities
> feel that signing up with Gmail/Hotmail is a *better* situation than  
> the one
> they're in now, where profs and students forward stuff to their  
> (consumer)
> Gmail/Hotmail accounts from their university accounts despite being  
> told they
> shouldn't do this.
> > Some comments from the University of Westminster (scroll to end of  
> > page)
> about the risks:
> > http://www.wmin.ac.uk/page-16541
> >
> > - universities and other educational systems are going for Hotmail/ 
> > Gmail in
> droves because of the massive cost savings coupled with the ability  
> to give
> their staff/students far better service (and service that said staff  
> and students
> are used to at home). Even Cornell, one of the email pioneers, has now
> switched and is offering students their choice of Hotmail or Gmail.
> > - Rebecca Gould and Elizabeth Unger of Kansas State University,  
> > have argued
> (I think persuasively) that the most logical course is for  
> universities to get out
> of the business of offering students email. They suggest limiting it  
> to staff, and
> giving students access to a secure portal instead.
> http://connect.educause.edu/Library/EDUCAUSE+Review/ASolutionLookingfora
> Probl/46614?time=1227745742
> > wg
> > www.pelicancrossing.net
> >
> > Dave Farber wrote:
> > > Wonder who?  Djf Begin forwarded message:
> > > > *From:* Roger Dannenberg <rbd () cs cmu edu
> <mailto:rbd () cs cmu edu>>
> > > > *Date:* February 10, 2010 3:15:12 PM EST
> > > > *To:* <mailto:dave () farber net>dave () farber net
> <mailto:dave () farber net>
> > > > *Cc:* ip <ip () v2 listbox com <mailto:ip () v2 listbox com>>,
> <mailto:adikamdar () gmail com>adikamdar () gmail com
> <mailto:adikamdar () gmail com>
> > > > *Subject:* *Re: [IP] Yale switching to Google Apps / Gmail*
> > > >
> > > > [for IP if you wish]
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to name names, but the Gmail license agreement is  
> > > > used by
> a distinguished law professor in his class as an example of  
> something you
> should stay away from.
> > > > -Roger
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