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Why I don't want my data in "The Cloud"


From: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:01:02 -0400





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From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com>
Date: July 20, 2010 12:05:33 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: Re: [IP] Why I don't want my data in "The Cloud"


Dave - this is what many of us want remedied by laws requiring *network neutrality* (aka the legal principle of 
"common carriage", not to be confused with "common carrier status").  In other words, "collective punishment" of all 
users of an ISP based on claims about a subset of users' behavior would be barred by requiring all users' content be 
treated fairly.

A hotel (the classic legal example) of "common carriage" cannot be shut down because of the behavior of some guests.

THe denial of core principles like "common carriage" is the first step on a slippery slope here.  This is where you 
get when you argue that "network neutrality" as a legal principle is somehow a BAD IDEA.

I've had email MTAs that I depended on taken down by "spam vigilante" groups like Paul Vixie's.  This is not just a 
problem of government shutdowns, but seriously intentional commercial denials of service, justified by claims of 
"collective responsibility" and "the end (eliminating spam) justifies any means whatever".  This seems no different 
from taking down a blog site because some of its users blog unwanted stuff.

On 07/20/2010 10:35 AM, Dave Farber wrote:





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From: Mary Shaw <mary.shaw () gmail com>
Date: July 20, 2010 8:56:52 AM EDT
To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Subject: Why I don't want my data in "The Cloud"


Now, torrentfreak.com is likely not to be an authoritative neutral
source, but it's reporting that Blogetery.com, hosting 73,000 blogs,
was shut down with zero notice by order of authorities and the service
provider is not allowed to provide information about this, let alone
the content of the blogs.  It seems fair to assume that at least some
of these blogs are innocent.

http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-authorities-shut-down-wordpress-host-with-73000-blogs-100716/

There are reports, for example
http://www.pcworld.com/article/201423/blogeterycom_shut_down_danger_on_the_internet.html?tk=hp_blg
and
http://www.examiner.com/x-41853-Homeland-Security-Examiner~y2010m7d19-Update-Blogetrycom-shutdown-linked-to-alQaeda-material
that it's terrorism-related, or claimed to be.

I have know other knowledge of blogetery.com -- maybe it's  well-known
by others to be a vipers' nest of evil.

But if I have to worry about whether other users of my service
providers are promulgating bomb-making instructions or pirate movies,
I don't think I want my data out there where it can be taken down with
sweeping measures against other peoples' activity.

Mary Shaw

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