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Re FreePress is suing the FCC. Here's how the process works.
From: "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 23:01:50 -0500
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From: Brett Glass <brett () lariat net> Date: December 29, 2017 at 9:10:29 PM EST To: dave () farber net Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: [IP] FreePress is suing the FCC. Here's how the process works. At 05:28 PM 12/29/2017, Cory Doctorow wrote:When I get into a taxi and ask it to take me to a store, that's the store I want to go to, not the store that has paid the cabbie for "premium delivery."Not analogous. Customers subscribe to ISPs - they do not "get into" them for a single ride as they would a cab. And they will very quickly switch, costing the ISP thousands of dollars, if the ISP does anything that they do not like... or if they even THINK that it is doing so. I know. I'm in the business. We have customers who blame us for problems, and switch, even when we are not the cause... for example, when their own devices or apps are messing up their connections and/or their own local networks. More than 80% of the US population has a choice of 3 or more broadband providers... and more would if the 2015 regulations did not so strongly deter investment in building out more choices to the rest. It is monopoly edge providers, such as Google and Facebook, which Internet users find unavoidable and which track them whether or not they know about it or consent to it.I don't want the cab to delay me by circling the block a few times because I have chosen a store that makes the cabbie less money.Again, no ISP would do that or ever has done that. If it did, it would find itself without customers.The fact that the store is making choices about what they sell and how they display it does not justify the cab driver slowing me down to increase the attractiveness of a store that paid him to do so. The fact that taxis are expensive and speculative and require substantial capex and labor inputs and maintenance does not justify the cab driver slowing me down to increase the attractiveness of a store that paid him to do so.ISPs' networks are expensive and labor-intensive, but they are hardly speculative. We build our networks for the long term. But we won't if we are subject to Draconian regulations that drive capital away and/or which favor other businesses. The largest ISPs, in fact, have diverted capital to the lines of business which regulators have unfairly and inappropriately favored - for example, AT&T has bought DirecTV and Verizon has bought Yahoo!. Comcast - the first to be attacked for its network policies - was also the first to recognize the trend and invest in content and edge providers by buying NBCU.The fact that the store treats its suppliers poorly, or manipulates its customers with clever retail psychology to entice me into making purchases I later regret does not justify the cab driver slowing me down to increase the attractiveness of a store that paid him to do so.It is edge providers such as Facebook and Google which manipulate both their users (which are not their customers but their product) and their actual customers (their advertisers, who are subjected to opaque pricing and click fraud). ISPs have never done this.The fact that the taxi company wants to become a retailer does not justify the cab driver slowing me down to increase the attractiveness of a store that paid him to do so.Again, a false analogy. The large ISPs that have been driven to become content providers have done so simply because, as large corporations with liquid capital, they have recognized that they can obtain better returns by investing in an industry that is unfairly favored by regulators than one which those regulators unfairly discriminate against. Smaller ISPs - whose growth benefits consumers because it provides them with greater choice - generally CANNOT do this, and bear the full brunt of the regulations. This drives away their investors and incents them to fold or sell.I buy internet service to get me the bits I request, as expeditiously as possible.ISPs attempt to do this. However, they may be thwarted in doing so - as Comcast was when Netflix artificially slowed its service to Comcast customers so as to gain an advantage in peering negotiations. And ISPs cannot find innovative ways to deliver bits at lower cost this if they are required to ask "Mother, may I?" - of an FCC which is determined to stop them from doing anything which might not benefit edge providers - before acting. (This is one of the things that the 2015 regulations required.) The repeal of the 2015 regulations puts ISPs and edge providers on a level playing field - EACH subject to discipline if it fails to keep its promises or engages in anticompetitive behavior. This is why the edge providers are so set against it; they do not want to give up an advantage so great that it actually motivated corporations to divert money from their own lines of business to the purchase of edge provider businesses. --Brett Glass
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