re Apple Is Blocking an App That Detects Net Neutrality Violations From the App Store

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

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From: Stefano Quintarelli <stefano () quintarelli it>
Date: Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [IP] Fwd: re Apple Is Blocking an App That Detects Net
Neutrality Violations From the App Store
To: <dave () farber net>, ip <ip () listbox com>


this one time I disagree with Brett.

I believe that should apple have the right to censor what users can or
can't use, similarly ISPs should have the right to censor what users can
or can't use (including the app store).
if the user has to be free to determine her choices, both layers of the
stack (pipe,device) should deserve similar treatment. (user lockins in
the device space are even stronger than those in the network space).

FYI, I proposed a bill in italy (matters of life brought me to the
italian parliament) that says "users have the right to use the software
they want on their devices and remove those they don't want" (with a
number of carveouts for intergrity, security, legal, etc.)

it was approved with unanimity in the lower house, approved by all
committees in the senate, scheduled for final vote at the senate and
then faced a fierce opposition by lobbies (apple being very effective);
the final vote was deferred time and again until the end of the legislature.

ciao, s.

On 18/01/2018 20:27, Dave Farber wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Brett Glass <brett () lariat net <mailto:brett () lariat net>>
> Date: Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [IP] Apple Is Blocking an App That Detects Net Neutrality
> Violations From the App Store
> To: <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>
>
>
> Dave:
>
> Apple is right to block such apps. "Net neutrality" is an empty,
> ill-defined slogan; it has no agreed-upon definition and is neither a
> law nor a regulation. (The FCC has just wisely repealed the 2015 Open
> Internet Order, which purported to contain "net neutrality" provisions
> but in fact specifically allowed practices such as curation and
> prohibited others - such as zero-rating - which have to do not with
> traffic management but with billing.) What's more, due to the very
> nature of the Internet, no such app can be accurate. The Internet is, by
> design, a "best effort" delivery system; an ISP can only manage traffic
> as far as the edge of its own network.
>
> In my opinion, it is time to retire the phrase "net neutrality" and
> adopt accurate language that precisely describes specific network
> management practices - many of which are beneficial to consumers. It is
> also time to stop casting aspersions upon ISPs. We are hard working
> professionals who often take great risks to provide and maintain
> Internet connectivity... and who get far smaller returns, relative to
> our investments, than edge service providers.  We do not seek to harm
> our customers or degrade the quality of our services; rather, we need to
> manage them to avoid exploitation and degradation by greedy apps and
> devices, malware, and the small percentage of end users who maliciously
> attempt to abuse them. If we do not succeed at this, our customers will
> depart for other providers, since Internet service - due to the
> Internet's very design - is impossible to maintain as a monopoly. It is
> edge service providers - many of which DO have monopolies and which
> provide services for free so as to turn users into their product - who
> are far more guilty of unethical tactics and are only now beginning to
> undergo proper scrutiny for those practices.
>
> Instead of creating apps that stress and degrade networks while
> providing misinformation that can be used to falsely accuse ISPs of
> unsavory practices, perhaps our time could be better spent investigating
> the real offenders.
>
> --Brett Glass
>
>
> At 11:07 AM 1/18/2018, you wrote:
>
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: Richard Forno <rforno () infowarrior org
> > <mailto:rforno () infowarrior org> >
> > Date: Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:10 AM
> > Subject: Apple Is Blocking an App That Detects Net Neutrality
> > Violations From the App Store
> > To: Infowarrior List <infowarrior () attrition org
> > <mailto:infowarrior () attrition org>>
> > CC: Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>
> >
> >
> >
> > Apple Is Blocking an App That Detects Net Neutrality Violations From
> > the App Store
> >
> > Apple told a university professor his app "has no direct benefits to
> > the user."
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