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Re Hearing in Boston on conscription of cyber/IT and STEM workers
From: "Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 01:00:58 +0000
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Dan Gillmor <dan () gillmor com> Date: Wed, May 9, 2018 at 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Re Hearing in Boston on conscription of cyber/IT and STEM workers To: <dave () farber net> Dave, I don't know enough about funding to weigh in on that, but I strongly believe the draft should be reinstated. And it should apply to people of all ages, starting with us older folks: https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/bring-back-the-draft-28dae9ecf872 Excerpt:
Which is why, among other reasons, it’s time to restore the draft. It’s
why a new draft should include (and maybe start with) me and my generation — and should be one of many shared sacrifices America undertakes to restore a prosperous and just society. And it’s why I will vote for any political candidate, of any party, who says these things out loud and promises to vote accordingly.
Granted, my cohort is too old for combat. No amount of training could put
us in the kind of physical shape needed for that job. But we’re not too old to do many of the other jobs the military needs done. Military effectiveness is more than ever about brains than brawn. A good programmer or logistics expert serves differently, but those are enormously important skills.
There are millions of Boomers who could ably handle the rear-echelon
tasks that the military spends vast energy and money to train 18-year-olds to do, and we could do them better. I wouldn’t like it, but if my number came up in a truly level draft — a draft that didn’t distinguish by age or financial station — I’d willingly go to Afghanistan to serve in any capacity that was useful, even if that was to write press releases.
The Boomer generation is loaded with talent. Consider all of the geniuses
who operate Wall Street’s investment banks. Few of them have served, but surely the nation would be well served if we asked them to temporarily divert their energies to screwing our enemies instead of their clients and the American public. I’d be especially glad to see a draft that included hawkish commentators and members of Congress who are so proud to see other people’s children heading to war zones. Dan On 05/07/2018 03:59 PM, Dave Farber wrote:
Begin forwarded message:*From:* Jeremy Epstein <jeremy.j.epstein () gmail com <mailto:jeremy.j.epstein () gmail com>> *Date:* May 7, 2018 at 3:51:53 PM EDT *To:* Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>> *Cc:* ip <ip () listbox com <mailto:ip () listbox com>> *Subject:* *Re: [IP] Re Hearing in Boston on conscription of cyber/IT and STEM workers* Dave, for IP, please. I'd like to clarify and correct some of what Jean Camp wrote about the SFS program. As an NSF employee I can't comment on whether the funding level provided by Congress is adequate, but I'd like to assure readers that there are new SFS grants occurring. As of March 2018, there were 70 active SFS institutions with 715 active students receiving scholarship funding consisting of full tuition; $9K for professional development, books, health care; and $22.5K (UG) or 34K (GRAD) cash stipend per academic year. Each university supports approximately 5-10 students per year. So saying there were "ZERO new scholarships last year" is incorrect - there were both new institutions and new students. SFS Scholarships Awards in FY2017 went to (those not marked "new" are renewals): University of Florida (new) Florida International University (new) University of Tennessee Chattanooga (new) Tuskegee University (new) University of Alabama at Birmingham (new) University of Hawaii (new) Georgetown University (new) North Carolina A&T Towson University Northeastern University Arizona State University Auburn University Pennsylvania State University New awards in FY2018 went to: University of Maryland College Park (new) Texas A&M University Main Campus (new) Purdue University Northwest (new) Louisiana Tech University (new) Plus several more institutions whose awards are being processed. Readers may also be interested in the Dec 2017 press release at https://nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=243987&org=NSF&from=news More information about the SFS program can be found at https://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=504991 and a list of all SFS grants can be found at
https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/advancedSearchResult?ProgEleCode=1668&BooleanElement=Any&BooleanRef=Any&ActiveAwards=true&#results
I'm happy to provide more information about SFS to anyone who's interested. --Jeremy On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com <mailto:farber () gmail com>> wrote: Begin forwarded message:*From:* L Jean Camp <ljeanc () gmail com <mailto:ljeanc () gmail com>> *Date:* May 7, 2018 at 9:51:10 AM EDT *To:* Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>> *Cc:* ip <ip () listbox com <mailto:ip () listbox com>> *Subject:* *Re: [IP] Hearing in Boston on conscription of cyber/IT and STEM workers* *Reply-To:* ljeanc () gmail com <mailto:ljeanc () gmail com> This would be a great way to reduce American students in STEM program even more. In fact, this is not just stupid. This is shameful. The NSF Scholarship for Service requires a year of public service for each year of scholarship. They funded ZERO new scholarships last year, The years the SFS scholarship is funded the highly rated and worthy of funding proposals are usually funded at 25% -30%. These funds go directly to the students, who then have to find internships in the public sector, and then work in the public sector for one year for each year of scholarship. The NSA Information Assurance scholarship program stopped accepting new students in I think 2008. This is for American students who have a 3.5 or better in a nationally certified computer security degree program. These students must be willing to go through a clearance process, spend internships in intelligence or military, and work one year in intelligence or military for each year supported by the scholarship. Americans are desperate for support to enter security careers. The DoD spends more on pencils than security scholarships. The funds to fully support every qualified students in these programs would be minuscule budget dust for the Department of Defense. It would probably not even require a few more sedans and fewer luxury SUVs in the motor pool. It would be so small as to be a tiny footnote in the NDAA. These would support the infrastructure, help Americans, and are an all round social good. To place more demands on a generation that is staggering under student debt, will have to pay off the lavish tax cuts we have voted ourselves since Reagan, and pay for this wars while simultaneously refusing to invest a dime in scholarships is simply shameful. To be factually crystal clear, the proposal here is to continue to refuse to support scholarships and then conscripting people who had to work their way through because there is no DoD priority more disposable than cybersecurity scholarships, as you can see by the zero budget for IAS in the NDAA. On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com <mailto:farber () gmail com>> wrote: Begin forwarded message:*From:* "Edward Hasbrouck" <edward () hasbrouck org <mailto:edward () hasbrouck org>> *Date:* May 7, 2018 at 8:45:07 AM EDT *To:* dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net> *Subject:* *Hearing in Boston on conscription of cyber/IT and STEM workers* A "National Commission on Military, National, and Public Service" is currently holding hearings throughout the US on the future of the draft, draft registration, Selective Service, and compulsory service. The Commission has been directed to report and make recommendations to Congress and the President on, among other issues, "the feasibility... of modifying the military selective service process in order to obtain for military, national, and public service individuals with skills (such as medical, dental, and nursing skills, language skills, cyber skills, and science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) skills) for which the Nation has a critical need, without regard to age or sex." The Commission's next hearing is this Wednesday, May 9th, at Suffolk University in Boston. It isn't necessary to sign up in advance to testify. Background on the National Commission and these hearings: https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002321.html <https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002321.html> Official commission notice of the hearing in Boston:
http://inspire2serve.gov/news-events/please-join-us-our-public-forum-boston-massachusetts
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http://inspire2serve.gov/news-events/please-join-us-our-public-forum-boston-massachusetts
Other upcoming Commission hearings:: http://inspire2serve.gov/news-events <http://inspire2serve.gov/news-events> Most of the Commission's official publicity has been about promoting volunteerism, so people who haven't read closely might not have realized that their mandate is to study compulsory military and national service. Peace, Edward Hasbrouck -------------------- Draft Registration and Draft Resistance: http://www.resisters.info Health Care Workers and the Draft: http://www.MedicalDraft.info Edward Hasbrouck edward () hasbrouck org <mailto:edward () hasbrouck org> http://hasbrouck.org +1-415-824-0214-- Prof. L. Jean Camp http://www.ljean.com <http://www.ljean.com/> Research Gate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/L_Camp <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/L_Camp> DBLP: http://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/c/Camp:L=_Jean <http://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/c/Camp:L=_Jean> SSRN:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=262477
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