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Re Hearing in Boston on conscription of cyber/IT and STEM workers


From: "Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 01:00:58 +0000

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Dan Gillmor <dan () gillmor com>
Date: Wed, May 9, 2018 at 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [IP] Re Hearing in Boston on conscription of cyber/IT and STEM
workers
To: <dave () farber net>


Dave,

I don't know enough about funding to weigh in on that, but I strongly
believe the draft should be reinstated. And it should apply to people of
all ages, starting with us older folks:

https://medium.com/i-m-h-o/bring-back-the-draft-28dae9ecf872

Excerpt:

Which is why, among other reasons, it’s time to restore the draft. It’s
why a new draft should include (and maybe start with) me and my generation
— and should be one of many shared sacrifices America undertakes to restore
a prosperous and just society. And it’s why I will vote for any political
candidate, of any party, who says these things out loud and promises to
vote accordingly.

Granted, my cohort is too old for combat. No amount of training could put
us in the kind of physical shape needed for that job. But we’re not too old
to do many of the other jobs the military needs done. Military
effectiveness is more than ever about brains than brawn. A good programmer
or logistics expert serves differently, but those are enormously important
skills.

There are millions of Boomers who could ably handle the rear-echelon
tasks that the military spends vast energy and money to train 18-year-olds
to do, and we could do them better. I wouldn’t like it, but if my number
came up in a truly level draft — a draft that didn’t distinguish by age or
financial station — I’d willingly go to Afghanistan to serve in any
capacity that was useful, even if that was to write press releases.

The Boomer generation is loaded with talent. Consider all of the geniuses
who operate Wall Street’s investment banks. Few of them have served, but
surely the nation would be well served if we asked them to temporarily
divert their energies to screwing our enemies instead of their clients and
the American public. I’d be especially glad to see a draft that included
hawkish commentators and members of Congress who are so proud to see other
people’s children heading to war zones.


Dan

On 05/07/2018 03:59 PM, Dave Farber wrote:



Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Jeremy Epstein <jeremy.j.epstein () gmail com
<mailto:jeremy.j.epstein () gmail com>>
*Date:* May 7, 2018 at 3:51:53 PM EDT
*To:* Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>
*Cc:* ip <ip () listbox com <mailto:ip () listbox com>>
*Subject:* *Re: [IP] Re Hearing in Boston on conscription of cyber/IT
and STEM workers*

Dave, for IP, please.

I'd like to clarify and correct some of what Jean Camp wrote about the
SFS program.  As an NSF employee I can't comment on whether the
funding level provided by Congress is adequate, but I'd like to assure
readers that there are new SFS grants occurring.

As of March 2018, there were 70 active SFS institutions with 715
active students receiving scholarship funding consisting of full
tuition; $9K for professional development, books, health care; and
$22.5K (UG) or 34K (GRAD) cash stipend per academic year.  Each
university supports approximately 5-10 students per year.  So saying
there were "ZERO new scholarships last year" is incorrect - there were
both new institutions and new students.

SFS Scholarships Awards in FY2017 went to (those not marked "new" are
renewals):

University of Florida (new)
Florida International University (new)
University of Tennessee Chattanooga (new)
Tuskegee University (new)
University of Alabama at Birmingham (new)
University of Hawaii (new)
Georgetown University (new)
North Carolina A&T
Towson University
Northeastern University
Arizona State University
Auburn University
Pennsylvania State University

New awards in FY2018 went to:

University of Maryland College Park (new)
Texas A&M University Main Campus (new)
Purdue University Northwest (new)
Louisiana Tech University (new)
Plus several more institutions whose awards are being processed.

Readers may also be interested in the Dec 2017 press release at
https://nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=243987&org=NSF&from=news

More information about the SFS program can be found at
https://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=504991 and a list of
all SFS grants can be found at

https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/advancedSearchResult?ProgEleCode=1668&BooleanElement=Any&BooleanRef=Any&ActiveAwards=true&#results

I'm happy to provide more information about SFS to anyone who's
interested.

--Jeremy

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com
<mailto:farber () gmail com>> wrote:




    Begin forwarded message:

    *From:* L Jean Camp <ljeanc () gmail com <mailto:ljeanc () gmail com>>
    *Date:* May 7, 2018 at 9:51:10 AM EDT
    *To:* Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>
    *Cc:* ip <ip () listbox com <mailto:ip () listbox com>>
    *Subject:* *Re: [IP] Hearing in Boston on conscription of
    cyber/IT and STEM workers*
    *Reply-To:* ljeanc () gmail com <mailto:ljeanc () gmail com>

    This would be a great way to reduce American students in STEM
    program even more.

    In fact, this is not just stupid. This is shameful.

    The NSF Scholarship for Service requires a year of public service
    for each year of scholarship. They funded ZERO new scholarships
    last year,   The years the SFS scholarship is funded the highly
    rated and worthy of funding proposals are usually funded at 25%
    -30%.   These funds go directly to the students, who then have to
    find internships in the public sector, and then work in the
    public sector for one year for each year of scholarship.

    The NSA Information Assurance scholarship program stopped
    accepting new students in I think 2008.  This is for American
    students who have a 3.5 or better in a nationally certified
    computer security degree program.  These students must be willing
    to go through a clearance process, spend internships in
    intelligence or military,  and work one year in intelligence or
    military for each year supported by the scholarship.

    Americans are desperate for support to enter security careers.
    The DoD spends more on pencils than security scholarships.  The
    funds to fully support every qualified students in these programs
    would be minuscule budget dust for the Department of Defense.  It
    would probably not even require a few more sedans and fewer
    luxury SUVs in the motor pool. It would be so small as to be a
    tiny footnote in the NDAA.   These would support the
    infrastructure, help Americans, and are an all round social good.

    To place more demands on a generation that is staggering under
    student debt, will have to pay off the lavish tax cuts we have
    voted ourselves since Reagan, and pay for this wars while
    simultaneously refusing to invest a dime in scholarships is
    simply shameful.

    To be factually crystal clear, the proposal here is to continue
    to refuse to support scholarships and then conscripting people
    who had to work their way through because there is no DoD
    priority more disposable than cybersecurity scholarships, as you
    can see by the zero budget for IAS in the NDAA.





    On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com
    <mailto:farber () gmail com>> wrote:




        Begin forwarded message:

        *From:* "Edward Hasbrouck" <edward () hasbrouck org
        <mailto:edward () hasbrouck org>>
        *Date:* May 7, 2018 at 8:45:07 AM EDT
        *To:* dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>
        *Subject:* *Hearing in Boston on conscription of cyber/IT
        and STEM workers*

        A "National Commission on Military, National, and Public
        Service" is
        currently holding hearings throughout the US on the future
        of the draft,
        draft registration, Selective Service, and compulsory service.

        The Commission has been directed to report and make
        recommendations to
        Congress and the President on, among other issues, "the
        feasibility... of
        modifying the military selective service process in order to
        obtain for
        military, national, and public service individuals with
        skills (such as
        medical, dental, and nursing skills, language skills, cyber
        skills, and
        science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM)
        skills) for which
        the Nation has a critical need, without regard to age or sex."

        The Commission's next hearing is this Wednesday, May 9th, at
        Suffolk
        University in Boston. It isn't necessary to sign up in
        advance to testify.

        Background on the National Commission and these hearings:

        https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002321.html
        <https://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/002321.html>

        Official commission notice of the hearing in Boston:


http://inspire2serve.gov/news-events/please-join-us-our-public-forum-boston-massachusetts
        <
http://inspire2serve.gov/news-events/please-join-us-our-public-forum-boston-massachusetts


        Other upcoming Commission hearings::

        http://inspire2serve.gov/news-events
        <http://inspire2serve.gov/news-events>

        Most of the Commission's official publicity has been about
        promoting
        volunteerism, so people who haven't read closely might not
        have realized
        that their mandate is to study compulsory military and
        national service.

        Peace,

        Edward Hasbrouck



        --------------------
        Draft Registration and Draft Resistance:
        http://www.resisters.info

        Health Care Workers and the Draft:
        http://www.MedicalDraft.info

        Edward Hasbrouck
        edward () hasbrouck org <mailto:edward () hasbrouck org>
        http://hasbrouck.org
        +1-415-824-0214





    --
    Prof. L. Jean Camp
    http://www.ljean.com <http://www.ljean.com/>
    Research Gate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/L_Camp
    <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/L_Camp>
    DBLP: http://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/c/Camp:L=_Jean
    <http://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/c/Camp:L=_Jean>
    SSRN:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=262477
    <https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=262477>
    Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wJPGa2IAAAAJ
    <https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wJPGa2IAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao>
    Make a Difference
    http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/govfel/congfel.asp
    <http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/govfel/congfel.asp>


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