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RE: California electric power on the ragged edge
From: woods () weird com (Greg A. Woods)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:45:37 -0400 (EDT)
[ On Friday, August 4, 2000 at 08:25:49 (-0700), Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote: ]
Subject: RE: California electric power on the ragged edge Wouldn't work. Many have the large battery packs in their UPS systems. However, every Kwh you sell back reduces your power-fail reserves by that same amount. You would actually have to over-build reserve capacity in order to do this and still survive a power outage.
That's what I meant -- build enough battery capacity so that not only do you only need to buy cheap power (eg. at night) but you can also survive overnight without any power if necessary. You still might end up buying some expensive power, but on average that would be offset by your ability to sell power back to the grid in times of plenty (i.e. when the wind blows and the sun shines!).
Wind and solar power options are geo-physically dependent. In the Altamount pass, the windmills don't turn all the time and they use huge tracts of acreage. In the Silly-cone valley, most of them wouldn't run at all, ever.
Oh well -- moving a datacentre to the top of a windy hill isn't going to fly either.... :-)
By the same token solar panels, for a data center, eat up much more square footage than is available
That's why you need multiple sources.....
(although covering every roof-top with solar panels might really add credence to the name "Silicon Valley").
now that's a good idea!
There is also the issue of remembering what the core business is and avoiding dilution of efforts.
If the core business has as one of it's core requirements a secure
source of energy then that is your business too. If you can't buy such
a secure supply from the local utilities then you're definitely going to
have to consider other ways of creating it yourself. Here in the north
central part of Toronto I've had my UPS' kick in at most once per year.
However if I were in some mostly residential parts of any community in
the outlying regions I'd probably have to have a generator to backup the
UPS, and it's beginning to look like those of you in Sunny California
are going to have to go even one step further and operate your own more
reliable long-term generating facilities. If things get really bad then
you might even be able to run them 24x7 during some times of year and
sell your excess power back (or to your neighbours) at a profit even if
it is from diesel!
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Greg A. Woods
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- California electric power on the ragged edge Sean Donelan (Aug 03)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge Roy (Aug 03)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge Alex Bligh (Aug 04)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge Henry R. Linneweh (Aug 04)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge Mike Leber (Aug 04)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge Alex Bligh (Aug 04)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge William Allen Simpson (Aug 04)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge Alex Bligh (Aug 04)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge Greg A. Woods (Aug 04)
- RE: California electric power on the ragged edge Roeland M.J. Meyer (Aug 04)
- RE: California electric power on the ragged edge Greg A. Woods (Aug 04)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge Alex Bligh (Aug 04)
- Re: California electric power on the ragged edge Roy (Aug 03)
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- RE: California electric power on the ragged edge Karyn Ulriksen (Aug 03)
- RE: California electric power on the ragged edge Sean Donelan (Aug 03)
