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Re: Sonet protection usage
From: Danny McPherson <danny () tcb net>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:02:47 -0600
Your experience leasing lines from RBOCs other than BellSouth and Ameritech must be vastly better?
Again, when ADMs and routers are in the same facility the local loop diversity issues are a non-issue. As Sean points out though, intra-facility connections fail, be it a result of human intervention or divine intervention. Also, maintenance affects this as well.
Now, in my experience, when routers _do_ fail, usually soon after upgrading the software, APS won't help at all. The card is down, too. IP has to route around the problem. Maybe this is some new use of the term "router"?
Funny. You're clearly missing the point of the application. Consider the
following:
+-----+
| A3 |
| |
+-----+
/ \
+-----+ +-----+
| A1 | | A2 |
| | | |
+-----+ +-----+
\w p/
+---------------+
| ADM-A |
| |
+---------------+
|
|
+---------------+
| ADM-B |
| |
+---------------+
/w p\
+-----+ +-----+
| B1 | | B2 |
| | | |
+-----+ +-----+
\ /
+-----+
| B3 |
| |
+-----+
You're a provider with two locations (A & B), you own the ADMs (not the
transmission facilities) and have only a single connection between the sites,
say an OC12c that you lease from an RBOC.
Now, you don't have another $100k (monthly) to give to the RBOC for a
redundant, presumably diverse secondary OC12 connection, though you would like
to be able to load new software on a router or perform maintenance such as
hardware upgrades without losing connectivity between the sites. Considering
you average ~300 Mbs on the OC12 buying a lower speed connection for
redundancy isn't a viable option.
So, you buy some ADMs (a capital expense which is likely less than one month
of the recurring OC12 fees) and do inter-router APS at the site. Since APS
isn't required on both sides (or in the network), you could even do one side
at a time.
The OC12 connection from the telco may or may not be protected. Under normal
conditions the ADMs would transmit frames ingress from the network to both
tributary ports (routers) and the inactive routers (A2 & B2, both inactive
protect circuits at this point) are responsible for discarding the frames.
The ADM would only transmit the ingress signal from the active tributary port
to the network. The ADM and routers communicate via the K1 & K2 SONET bytes.
Now, you want to do maintenance on B1 so you simply trigger a force switch to
the protect circuit from the protect router interface. This in essence forces
the ADM to use B2 as the active circuit. B1 is notified via the ADM (K1/K2)
and becomes inactive, while B2 frames will be transmitted to the network.
This is an overly simplistic model, though I hope the application has been
better demonstrated. And again, it becomes even more interesting when the
OC12 is trans-oceanic, or its an OC48 and the only viable completely diverse
option requires 3 times the circuit route miles (which you pay for) and a few
million dollars to provision a diverse fiber path into the facility, etc..
I assure you that it has it's uses and is employed by both network service
providers (which in _this definition I refer to as owning the transmission
facilities), as well as ISPs.
There are lots of higher layer issues such as interaction with the IGP that
impact convergence times considerably (e.g. the fact that when B2 becomes
active above a new adjacency must be formed with A1, the remote router, or SPF
run timers throttling rerun when the new adjacency is reported because of a
recent run triggered by the report of the failure itself), but it's still far,
far better than doing nothing at all.
Virtually every router I've installed, even "ancient" NetBlazers and Ascends sitting out at the customer sites, has been stable for years without interruption. OTOH, links fail often, in ice storms, in rain, on windy days, even for no known reason at all!
As for this, let me let you in on a little secret: There's always a reason the links fail. (Just kidding! ;-). HTH, -danny
Current thread:
- Re: Sonet protection usage, (continued)
- Re: Sonet protection usage William Allen Simpson (Jul 26)
- Re: Sonet protection usage William Allen Simpson (Jul 26)
- Re: Sonet protection usage Steve Meuse (Jul 26)
- Re: Sonet protection usage Neil J. McRae (Jul 26)
- Re: Sonet protection usage Jonathon Plonka (Jul 26)
- Re: Sonet protection usage Ron da Silva (Jul 25)
- Re: Sonet protection usage William Allen Simpson (Jul 26)
- Re: Sonet protection usage William Allen Simpson (Jul 26)
