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Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers
From: Henry Yen <henry () AegisInfoSys com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:20:36 -0400
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:31:27AM -0400, Stephen Griffin wrote:
In the referenced message, Roeland Meyer said:
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No, but individual circuits go down all the time. Simply because you have a big name provider, doesn't mean that they will be more reliable. Only the reasons for the outage change. The recommendations for multi-homing remain the same.No one has said that multiple circuits via multiple entrance facilities via multiple carriers is a bad thing. It certainly does not affect routing table growth. Hell, even having those circuits go to different sites at the same provider takes care of the vast majority of issues. The few issues left (widespread routing failures) tend to be infrequent amongst the majority of providers. Again, very little reason to need multiple providers if the provider is good. If you're concerned about circuit grooming, write it into your contract with _severe_ penalties for failure to meet the terms of the contract.
for most non-huge businesses, this is not do-able. SLA contracts seem to be pretty non-malleable. for the rest, they're already peering via multiple connections, so it's less of an issue, i'd think. i don't think most providers will do actually do anything special in the face of "severe written penalties". outages happen. the cost of the penalties will merely be written into the cost of that custom SLA. (i.e., it's the same as an insurance policy, much like the delta cost for a "business" vs. "residential" DSL). also, for the smaller business, the loss of just a few customers due to uplink outages are much more severe than for a huge NSP. multi-homing is a practical and useful tool. every large provider in this area has had at least one hours-long regional problem in the last year. multi-homing exponentially lessens the chance of total failure. as for the "cost" to the "network" regarding routing table size, the cost is already charged to the end customer, in the form of (IMHO) the high relative cost of dedicated lines to end-users ($1200 for 1.536MB). -- Henry Yen Aegis Information Systems, Inc. Senior Systems Programmer Hicksville, New York
Current thread:
- RE: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers, (continued)
- RE: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Richard Welty (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Sean Donelan (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Travis Pugh (Apr 05)
- RE: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Richard Noonan (Apr 04)
- RE: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Roeland Meyer (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Stephen Griffin (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Gary E. Miller (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Stephen Griffin (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Sean Donelan (Apr 04)
- RE: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Roeland Meyer (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Stephen Griffin (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Henry Yen (Apr 05)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Stephen Griffin (Apr 04)
- RE: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Roeland Meyer (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Sean Donelan (Apr 04)
- Re: Faster 'Net growth rate raises fears about routers Stephen Stuart (Apr 04)
