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Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address
From: Vadim Antonov <avg () exigengroup com>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:15:19 -0800 (PST)
Just to keep it off-topic :) The kinetic water-based accumulating stations actually do exist, though they use elevated reservoirs to store the water. The water is pumped up during off-peak hours, and then electricity is generated during peaks. This is not common, though, because most energy sources can be throttled to save fuel, or to accumulate in-flowing water naturally. However, I think we will see more of those accumulating stations augmenting green energy sources (wind, solar, geothermal, tidal) which have erratic performance on shorter time scales, unless things like very large supercapacitors or hydrolizers/fuel cells become a lot cheaper. In some cases accumulating stations are useful in places remote from any regular power sources because they can minimize energy loss in long transmission lines (it is proportional to current squared, while delivered power is linear to the current). --vadim On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, blitz wrote:
One last addition to this idiotic water idea.. since the water doesn't get up there to the reservoir on the roof by itself, add your costs of huge pumps, plus the cost of pumping it up there, and a less than 100% efficiency in converting falling water to electricity. Also, add heating it in the winter to keep it liquid instead of solid, decontamination chemicals (cant have any Leigonella bacillus growing in there in the summer) Its all moot, as the weight factor makes this a non-starter.
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- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address, (continued)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Brett Frankenberger (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Johannes Ullrich (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address blitz (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address David Howe (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Richard Irving (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Alex Rubenstein (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Stephen Sprunk (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Barry Shein (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address David Charlap (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Vadim Antonov (Nov 19)
- RE: Even the New York Times withholds the address Eric Germann (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Alex Rubenstein (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Jim Hickstein (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address David Lesher (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address David Lesher (Nov 19)
- OT: WAS: Even the New York Times withholds the address Al Rowland (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Mikael Abrahamsson (Nov 19)
- Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address Petri Helenius (Nov 19)
