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RE: more on filtering
From: Greg Maxwell <gmaxwell () martin fl us>
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:34:24 -0500 (EST)
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Matthew Kaufman wrote: [snip]
I'm afraid that those of us building actual networks are forced to do so using actual hardware that actually exists today, and using actual hardware that was actually purchased several years ago and which cannot be forklifted out. You call the network "obviously broken", I call it "the only one that can be built today".
It's interesting that many rather sizable networks have weathered these events without relying on filtering, NAT, or other such behavior. Even if you're right, that doesn't make me wrong. Any IP network conformant to Internet standards should be content transparent. Any network which isn't is broken. Breaking under abnormal conditions is unacceptable. I am well aware of reality, but the reality is: some things need to be improved. This isn't some fundamental law of nature causing these limits. We are simply seeing the results of the "internet boom" valuation of rapid growth and profit over correctness and stability. As the purchasers of this equipment we have the power to demand vendors produce products which are not broken. Doing so is our professional duty, settling on workarounds that break communications and fail to actually solve the problems is negligent. Suggesting that breaking end-to-endness is a long term solution to these kind of issues is socially irresponsible. -- The comments and opinions expressed herein are those of the author of this message and may not reflect the policies of the Martin County Board of County Commissioners.
Current thread:
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd), (continued)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Alex Yuriev (Oct 30)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) matt (Oct 30)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Alex Yuriev (Oct 30)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Chris Parker (Oct 30)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Alex Yuriev (Oct 30)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Chris Parker (Oct 30)
- more on filtering Alex Yuriev (Oct 30)
- Re: more on filtering Chris Parker (Oct 30)
- Re: more on filtering Greg Maxwell (Oct 30)
- RE: more on filtering Matthew Kaufman (Oct 31)
- RE: more on filtering Greg Maxwell (Oct 31)
- RE: more on filtering Matthew Kaufman (Oct 31)
- RE: more on filtering Alex Yuriev (Oct 31)
- RE: more on filtering Matthew Kaufman (Oct 31)
- RE: more on filtering Ray Burkholder (Oct 31)
- Re: more on filtering matt (Oct 30)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 30)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Alex Yuriev (Oct 31)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Owen DeLong (Oct 31)
- Re: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Alex Yuriev (Oct 31)
- RE: [arin-announce] IPv4 Address Space (fwd) Matthew Kaufman (Oct 31)
