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Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit
From: vijay gill <vgill () vijaygill com>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:08:21 +0000
On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 05:15:48AM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote:
Peering? Who needs peering if transit can be had for $20 per megabit per second?anyone whose applications are too important to risk dependency on OPNs (other people's networks).
OPNs also carry some of the consumers of your bits and you consume
some of theirs. Unless you're peering with every laptop directly,
somewhere, somehow, you'll be traveling on OPNs, wether it is dark
fiber, a circuit, or a wavelength.
Time to bust out the cardinal vs ordinal optimization argument again.
option a) getting the best decision for certain (cost $1 million)
option b) Getting a decision within the top 5% With probability
= 0.99 (cost $1 million/x), In real life, we often settle
for such a tradeoff with x=100 to 10,000
Under independent sampling, variance decreases as 1/sqrt(n). Each order
of magnitude increase in certainty requires 2 orders of magnitude
increase in sampling cost. To go from p=0.99 to certainty (p=0.99999)
implies a 1,000,000 fold increase in sampling cost.
So, instead of creating very nice soundbites like OPNs (which I will
be shamelessly appropriating for my own use thank you very much),
I suggest we spend a bit more time actually _analysing_ using
techniques from operations research as to _what_ gives us the
most bang for the buck.
Dan golding has it right re: peering not being a philosophy, but
rather an _engineering_ decision. I touched upon this at the
Great Peering Debate at the NANOG Miami, which was hosted by
Bill Norton.
/vijay
Current thread:
- Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Gordon Cook (Apr 19)
- Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Mikael Abrahamsson (Apr 19)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Michel Py (Apr 19)
- Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Patrick W . Gilmore (Apr 19)
- Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Paul Vixie (Apr 19)
- Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit vijay gill (Apr 20)
- RE: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Michel Py (Apr 19)
- Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Daniel Golding (Apr 20)
- Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Patrick W . Gilmore (Apr 20)
- TCP Vulnerability makes case for authenticated BGP tad pedley (Apr 20)
- Re: TCP Vulnerability makes case for authenticated BGP Pekka Savola (Apr 20)
- Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Stephen J. Wilcox (Apr 20)
- Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Patrick W . Gilmore (Apr 20)
- IP economics morphed into (TCP/RST) Blaine Christian (Apr 20)
- Re: IP economics morphed into (TCP/RST) Stephen J. Wilcox (Apr 22)
- Re: IP economics morphed into (TCP/RST) Niels Bakker (Apr 22)
- Re: Backbone IP network Economics - peering and transit Daniel Golding (Apr 20)
