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Re: Internet speed report...
From: Simon Leinen <simon () limmat switch ch>
Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:54:21 +0200
Mikael Abrahamsson writes:
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Simon Leinen wrote:Rather than over-dimensioning the backbone for two or three users (the "Petabyte crowd"), I'd prefer making them happy with a special TCP.
Tune your max window size so it won't be able to use more than say 60% of the total bandwidth, that way (if the packets are paced evenly) you won't ever overload the 10GE link with 30% background "noise".
Hm, three problems:
1.) Ideally the Petabyte folks would magically get *all* of the
currently "unused bandwidth" - I don't want to limit them to 60%.
(Caveat: Unused bandwidth of a path is very hard to quantify.)
2.) When we upgrade the backbone to 100GE or whatever, I don't want to
have to tell those people they can increase their windows now.
3.) TCP as commonly implemented does NOT pace packets evenly.
If the high-speed TCP
1.) notices the onset of congestion even when it's just a *small*
increase in queue length, or maybe a tiny bit of packet drop/ECN
(someone please convince Cisco to implement ECN on the OSR :-),
2.) adapts quickly to load changes, and
3.) paces its packets nicely as you describe,
then things should be good. Maybe modern TCPs such as FAST or BIC do
all this, I don't know. I'm pretty sure FAST helps by avoiding to
fill up the buffers.
As I said, it would be great if it were possible to build fast
networks with modest buffers, and use end-to-end (TCP) improvements to
fill the "needs" of the Petabyte/Internet2 Land Speed Record crowd.
--
Simon.
Current thread:
- Internet speed report... Deepak Jain (Sep 03)
- Re: Internet speed report... Mikael Abrahamsson (Sep 03)
- Re: Internet speed report... Deepak Jain (Sep 03)
- Re: Internet speed report... Bill Owens (Sep 03)
- Re: Internet speed report... Lucy E. Lynch (Sep 03)
- Re: Internet speed report... Mikael Abrahamsson (Sep 03)
- Re: Internet speed report... Mikael Abrahamsson (Sep 03)
- Re: Internet speed report... Lincoln Dale (Sep 03)
- Re: Internet speed report... Michael . Dillon (Sep 06)
- Re: Internet speed report... Simon Leinen (Sep 06)
- Re: Internet speed report... Mikael Abrahamsson (Sep 06)
- Re: Internet speed report... Simon Leinen (Sep 06)
- Re: Internet speed report... Mikael Abrahamsson (Sep 06)
- Re: Internet speed report... Hank Nussbacher (Sep 06)
- Re: Internet speed report... Michael . Dillon (Sep 06)
