FW: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts

["Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb () byrneit net>]

-----Original Message-----
From: Tomas L. Byrnes 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:08 PM
To: 'Niels Bakker'
Subject: RE: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts

There was nothing in my post advocating free transit or peering. I
merely pointed out that peering only without downstream propagation was
a technical error, based on the proper implementation of the protocols
as designed.

All the discussion of practicality and politics are implementation
failures: the first because of crappy routers, the second because of the
established player issue you called out. 

We've all had enough of crappy networks causing unreachability. 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niels Bakker [mailto:niels=nanog () bakker net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:30 AM
> To: nanog () nanog org
> Subject: Re: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts
>
> * tomb () byrneit net (Tomas L. Byrnes) [Tue 04 Nov 2008, 17:51 CET]:
> > The concept of "Transit Free" is a political failure, not a technical
> > one.
>
> Yeah, networks should be free!  And Cogent, if they don't get access to
> Sprint directly, should just set a default route over some public IX
> where Sprint is also present at to reach their network!!  And then hack
> their routers to do likewise.
>
>
> > The protocols are designed, and the original concept behind the
> Internet
> > is, to propagate all reachability via all paths. IE to use Transit if
> > peering fails.
>
> Yeah, the original concept of the internet.  Like classful IP routing.
>
>
> > Not doing so is a policy decision that breaks the redundancy in the
> > original design.
>
> Because the original design totally had in mind established players
> locking out cheaper newcomers and explicitly specified a maximum band
> where prices for transit had to exist inside of.
>
> Please stop it.  We've had enough.
>
>
>       -- Niels.
>
> --
> "We humans get marks for consistency. We always opt for
>  civilization after exhausting the alternatives."
>                       -- Carl Guderian