RE: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)

["Dan Wing" <dwing () cisco com>]

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> From: arin-ppml-bounces () arin net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces () arin net] On
> Behalf Of Chris Grundemann
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:55 PM
> To: Benson Schliesser
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> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6
> naysayer...)
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> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 14:17, Benson Schliesser
> <bensons () queuefull net> wrote:
>
> > If you have more experience (not including rumors) that suggests
> otherwise, I'd very much like to hear about it.  I'm open to the
> possibility that NAT444 breaks stuff - that feels right in my gut - but
> I haven't found any valid evidence of this.
>
> In case you have not already found this:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-donley-nat444-impacts-01

That document conflates problems of NAT444 with problems of NAT44 
with problems of bandwidth starvation with problems of CGN.

For details, see my comments at
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/behave/current/msg09027.html
and see Reinaldo Penno's comments at
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/behave/current/msg09030.html

-d

> Cheers,
> ~Chris
>
> > Regardless, I think we can agree that IPv6 is the way to avoid NAT-
> related growing pains.  We've known this for a long time.
> > Cheers,
> > -Benson
> >
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