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Re: Can anyone check this routing against Charter in WI?


From: Jason Hellenthal <jhellenthal () dataix net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:15:45 -0400

No particular issues from where I'm at.

 Route
- #1: 12.1 ms
  IP Address: 172.31.32.1
  Hostname: gateway.dataix.local
- #2: 5.2 ms
  IP Address: 192.168.1.1
- #3: 11.5 ms
  IP Address: 10.155.64.1
- #4: 14.0 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.34.206
  Hostname: dtr02hlldmi-tge-0-1-1-2.hlld.mi.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
- #5: 16.6 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.32.30
  Hostname: crr02aldlmi-bue-12.aldl.mi.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #6: 20.3 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.2.10
  Hostname: bbr01aldlmi-bue-2.aldl.mi.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #7: 23.7 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.0.99
  Hostname: bbr01chcgil-bue-4.chcg.il.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #8: 19.9 ms
  IP Address: 96.34.3.114
  Hostname: prr02chcgil-bue-3.chcg.il.charter.com
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #9: 154.7 ms
  IP Address: 23.30.206.169
  Hostname: be-204-pe04.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
- #10: 27.5 ms
  IP Address: 68.86.83.53
  Hostname: he-3-1-0-0-cr01.350ecermak.il.ibone.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #11: 26.1 ms
  IP Address: 68.86.94.242
  Hostname: he-0-12-0-0-ar01.pontiac.mi.michigan.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
  Time Zone: America/Los_Angeles
  Region: California
  City: San Francisco
  Latitude: 37.775
  Longitude: -122.419
- #12: 29.0 ms
  IP Address: 162.151.20.173
  Hostname: te-0-8-0-7-ar01.taylor.mi.michigan.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US
- #13: 26.9 ms
  IP Address: 68.85.223.185
  Hostname: te-7-1-ur02.ypwest.mi.michigan.comcast.net
  AS Number: AS7922
  AS Name: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.
  Country Name: United States
  Country Code: US


-- 
 Jason Hellenthal
 Voice: 95.30.17.6/616
 JJH48-ARIN

On Jun 15, 2014, at 20:20, Michael Clark <mikeal.clark () gmail com> wrote:

Well my routing isn't nearly that bad.  I haven't been able to get confirmation but support said they are probably 
just routing around a problem and they can't get any direct feedback form network engineers. 

I should get an update tomorrow hopefully.  I'm also seeing some bandwidth issues on charters internal network.  
Something must be going on.

Best to have up and go get some Bells :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Rusty Dekema <rdekema () gmail com> wrote:

Are you still seeing odd routing with Charter in Wisconsin? Charter's routing in Michigan seems to be going pretty 
crazy at the moment as well. 

The following traceroute is from a Charter residential line* in Kalamazoo MI to a Comcast business (DOCSIS) line in 
Ypsilanti MI, by way of several unknown hops, some of which are in RFC 1918 space, Sprintlink possibly in Fort Worth 
TX, another unknown hop, then Comcast Dallas TX, Comcast Marietta GA, Comcast Ashburn VA, then finally Comcast MI. 
Needless to say, this is not the normal route:

   http://pastebin.com/9CKmea6M

Tracing the same route but in the other direction also yields odd results. The route proceeds normally to a Comcast 
ibone router in 350 E. Cermak (Chicago IL), but the very next hop after that router is the public IP of the Charter 
service in Kalamazoo MI as follows:

   http://pastebin.com/VCCgnUsn

For what it's worth, if anyone could explain to me what might cause that behavior (between hops 8 and 9), I would 
really appreciate the knowledge.

The routing between that same Charter residential service and a Merit/Michnet endpoint in southeast Michigan is also 
odd, taking a detour through Virginia [xe-8-3-0.1018.asbn0.tr-cps.internet2.edu (198.71.47.25)], which it does not 
normally do. The routing in that case does appear to be the same regardless of which side you initiate the 
traceroute from.

Cheers,
Rusty Dekema


* The Charter residential line's IP address is currently reverse resolving to a Charter DHCP pool in Bay City, MI, 
which is over 100 miles from Kalamazoo. This is also unusual. The Charter service in question is now and has always 
been located in Kalamazoo MI.     




On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Mikeal Clark <mikeal.clark () gmail com> wrote:
Hoping someone auditing the list can provide some insight or a back
channel support option.

I started having some good latency spikes last night, which have
continued this morning, so I finally took a look at things and I am
seeing a lot more routing than I expected.  Support is telling me this
is normal but I don't remember this many replies on traceroute.  My
speeds are about 1/5 the normal as well this morning and seeing some
dropped packets even using a test sight inside Charter's network.
This is just business cable so my support options are pretty limited.

4    10 ms    14 ms    13 ms
dtr01shbywi-tge-0-3-0-23.shby.wi.charter.com [96.34.24.178]
 5    18 ms    11 ms    17 ms  dtr01wbndwi-bue-2.wbnd.wi.charter.com
[96.34.30.17]
 6    12 ms    11 ms    11 ms  dtr02wbndwi-bue-1.wbnd.wi.charter.com
[96.34.24.56]
 7    17 ms    11 ms    11 ms  dtr02fdulwi-bue-3.fdul.wi.charter.com
[96.34.30.19]
 8    13 ms    18 ms    18 ms  dtr01fdulwi-bue-1.fdul.wi.charter.com
[96.34.19.144]
 9    19 ms    14 ms    15 ms  crr03fdulwi-bue-2.fdul.wi.charter.com
[96.34.20.8]
10    30 ms    22 ms    35 ms  crr02euclwi-bue-6.eucl.wi.charter.com
[96.34.22.240]
11    23 ms    22 ms    43 ms  bbr02euclwi-bue-4.eucl.wi.charter.com
[96.34.2.6]
12    22 ms    34 ms    19 ms  bbr01euclwi-bue-5.eucl.wi.charter.com
[96.34.0.6]
13    34 ms    30 ms    38 ms
bbr01stcdmn-tge-0-0-0-3.stcd.mn.charter.com [96.34.0.115]
14    42 ms    43 ms    52 ms  65.46.47.77
15    78 ms    78 ms    92 ms  ae1d0.mcr2.minneapolis-mn.us.xo.net
[216.156.1.86]
16    93 ms    82 ms    82 ms  vb1711.rar3.denver-co.us.xo.net [216.156.0.173]
17    81 ms    95 ms    82 ms  te-3-0-0.rar3.sanjose-ca.us.xo.net
[207.88.12.58]
18    83 ms    82 ms    98 ms  207.88.14.226.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.226]
19    81 ms    78 ms    78 ms  216.156.84.6.ptr.us.xo.net [216.156.84.6]
20    77 ms    78 ms    88 ms
xe-2-2-0-955.jnrt-edge02.prod1.netflix.com [69.53.225.30]
21    86 ms    78 ms    78 ms  te1-8.csrt-agg02.prod1.netflix.com
[69.53.225.10]
22    79 ms    78 ms    82 ms  www.trynetflix.com [69.53.236.17]

 4    12 ms    11 ms     8 ms
dtr01shbywi-tge-0-3-0-23.shby.wi.charter.com [96.34.24.178]
 5    17 ms    10 ms    12 ms  dtr01wbndwi-bue-2.wbnd.wi.charter.com
[96.34.30.17]
 6    11 ms     9 ms    15 ms  dtr02wbndwi-bue-1.wbnd.wi.charter.com
[96.34.24.56]
 7    15 ms    18 ms    18 ms  dtr02fdulwi-bue-3.fdul.wi.charter.com
[96.34.30.19]
 8    16 ms    14 ms    11 ms  dtr01fdulwi-bue-1.fdul.wi.charter.com
[96.34.19.144]
 9    20 ms    14 ms    15 ms  crr03fdulwi-bue-2.fdul.wi.charter.com
[96.34.20.8]
10    22 ms    22 ms    18 ms  crr02euclwi-bue-6.eucl.wi.charter.com
[96.34.22.240]
11    18 ms    22 ms    22 ms  bbr02euclwi-bue-4.eucl.wi.charter.com
[96.34.2.6]
12    35 ms    30 ms    31 ms  bbr01chcgil-bue-1.chcg.il.charter.com
[96.34.0.9]
13    27 ms    27 ms    27 ms  prr01chcgil-bue-2.chcg.il.charter.com
[96.34.3.9]
14    27 ms    27 ms    27 ms
96-34-152-30.static.unas.mo.charter.com [96.34.152.30]
15    29 ms    32 ms    27 ms  209.85.244.1
16    27 ms    27 ms    28 ms  209.85.254.238
17    54 ms    40 ms    40 ms  209.85.248.214
18    38 ms    40 ms    38 ms  216.239.43.217
19     *        *        *     Request timed out.
20    44 ms    40 ms    40 ms  google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]

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