Re: Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)

[JF Tremblay <jean-francois.tremblay () viagenie ca>]

I concur with Owen here.

6RD is a band-aid, but a pretty effective one to introduce IPv6 to the staff and management in your organization. When 
you get to native deployment, your engineering and ops staff no longer freak out when they see some IPv6 config. They 
can even debug ISIS and the IPv6 RR without calling you in the middle of the night! 

On the management side, they actually see IPv6 traffic in the nice monthly graphs, so they’ll remember to put it in the 
next RFP and even not to cut it from the next budget, if you’re lucky. 

And 6RD performance is quite good when implemented properly (2-3% hit on bandwidth, 1 ms in latency). What hurts are 
CPEs with bad implementations (bad option 212 implementation or no MTU reduction). 

/JF

On Jun 20, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

> The point is that you can offer IPv6 to a lot of people using various instatntiations of 100.64.0.0/10 but using 
> globally unique IPv6 addresses providing them full true internet access without NAT.
>
> Yes, 6rd is a stopgap, but 6rd stopgap is better than multi-natted IPv4 only.
>
> Owen
>
> On Jun 20, 2014, at 07:22 , Gabriel Blanchard <gabe () teksavvy com> wrote:
>
> > 6rd is in my opinion a band-aid solution, I don't see the point of offering IPv6 if it requires IPv4. native IPv6 
> > should be offered where possible.
> >
> > We offer native IPv6 to all our DSL customers but only on an opt-in basis, we're although unfortunately unable to 
> > offer IPv6 over Cable since we still depend on a certain incumbent...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Jean-Francois.Dube () videotron com
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 10:13 AM
> > To: lists () sadiqs com
> > Cc: nanog () nanog org; NANOG
> > Subject: RE: Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)
> >
> > Videotron (AS5769) is offering 6RD (RFC5969) to all residential customers, if their gear supports it. (DHCP option 
> > 212)
> >
> > (But our MGMT still calls it beta for now.)
> >
> > JF
> >
> > Jean-François Dubé
> > Technicien, Opérations Réseau IP
> > Ingénierie Exploitation des Réseaux
> > Vidéotron
> >
> > "NANOG" <nanog-bounces () nanog org> a écrit sur 2014-06-18 20:16:01 :
> >
> > > De : Sadiq Saif <lists () sadiqs com>
> > > A : nanog () nanog org,
> > > Date : 2014-06-19 12:43
> > > Objet : Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion) Envoyé 
> > > par : "NANOG" <nanog-bounces () nanog org>
> > >
> > > On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote:
> > > > Canada is way behind, just 0.4% deployment.
> > >
> > > Any Canadian ISP folk in here want to shine a light on this dearth of 
> > > residential IPv6 connectivity?
> > >
> > > Is there any progress being made on this front?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sadiq Saif