Re: Input Regarding Cogent and NTT

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

They are persistent, but by no means the most persistent vendor I work with. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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From: "Alistair Mackenzie" <magicsata () gmail com> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 1:35:13 PM 
Subject: Re: Input Regarding Cogent and NTT 

Don't be surprised if cogent contact you for even posting this. 

They did it to me when I asked for hibernia. 
On 5 Feb 2015 19:16, "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> wrote: 

> Working on it. ;-) 
>
> Being an eyeball network, most of my traffic just goes to NetFlix, Akamai, 
> LimeLight, FaceBook, Google, etc. anyway. Peer what you can peer, Cogent 
> for customer routes, then grab a couple nicer carriers and call it a day. 
>
>
>
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> ----- 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> From: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net> 
> To: nanog () nanog org 
> Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 12:54:43 PM 
> Subject: Re: Input Regarding Cogent and NTT 
>
> By that logic, and giving you the benefit of the doubt that you follow 
> your own advice, you have 15-20 upstreams? 
>
> I've never tried that on a standard network with BGP as the only tool. See 
> any interesting operational stuff with that many upstreams? 
>
> Also, while many people knock Cogent, I would submit that many people have 
> bad first-hand experiences with Cogent (including me). 
>
> Every network has its bad days. Even the best companies screw customers 
> from time-to-time. But the preponderance of evidence is a useful guidepost. 
> Cogent is large, but does not have even half the customers NTT has. Do 
> "lots of people knock NTT"? Given NTT's much larger number of customers, 
> shouldn't that mean they have more knocks? 
>
> If not, I submit the disparity is a useful datapoint when choosing a 
> provider. 
>
> -- 
> TTFN, 
> patrick 
>
> Composed on a virtual keyboard, please forgive typos. 
>
>
> > On Feb 5, 2015, at 12:29, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote: 
> >
> > A lot of people knock Cogent, but the best way to get to Cogent's 
> customer's is probably through Cogent. Given that they do have a very large 
> network, they're worth picking up even if you only use them for customer 
> routes. 
> > ----- 
> > Mike Hammett 
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> > http://www.ics-il.com 
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >
> > From: "Jack Stonebraker" <Jack.Stonebraker () mygrande com> 
> > To: nanog () nanog org 
> > Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 11:24:59 AM 
> > Subject: Input Regarding Cogent and NTT 
> >
> > My organization is currently shopping for some additional Transit 
> Capacity to augment our existing interconnects. We've got around 8 distinct 
> AS's that we're receiving transit routes from, followed by a handful of 
> Public IX's and Private PNI's to AS's that warrant them. That said, the 
> networks that are on our radar are Cogent and NTT. I've done some due 
> diligence poking around on their Looking Glass, but I'd love to hear any 
> user experiences from the community, both from a Layer 3 Perspective, as 
> well as an Operational Perspective (Working with the businesses 
> themselves). Feel free to contact me off-list and thanks in advance for 
> your time. 
> > [cid:image002.jpg@01CFE2F3.A6F973D0] 
> >
> >
> > Jack Stonebraker | Sr. IP Network Engineer 
> > (512) 878-5627 | jack.stonebraker () mygrande com<mailto: 
> john.hogan () mygrande com> 
> > Grande Communications Networks 
> > 401 Carlson Circle | San Marcos, Texas | 78666